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Offline Zenith

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Menzingen Has Spoken
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2012, 05:53:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
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    I have been following this thread and other threads on the current SSPX/Rome issues on and off so I may have missed parts and may not have the full picture.

    Who is "Dumb Ox" and why are they considered a reliable source of information? I am asking purely because I honestly want to know what qualifies them as reliable and not because I am having a jab at them.

    Also who is "the Crow" and what is their story?


    The same question can be asked of 'Henry V'.



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    No Dumb Ox, they are allegations. Although some, depending on your intent could be considered calumnious.

    To take the second one, what constitutes friendship? The mere fact that Fr. Pfluger gave an interview to Wensierski? What is Fr. Pfluger collaborating in exactly? And by collaborator what definition do you intend:to work jointly with others or to assist an enemy.

    The problem is Dumb Ox your 'sources' do not support your allegations. I'm just making the reader aware of that fact.


    Who is 'Henry V' and how is he certain Dumb Ox is making allegations. It is Henry V who seems to be making allegations here.Again opening Ignis Ardens to prospect of legal action.


    My question still remains unanswered.

    For the record, I fully support H.E. Bishop Williamson and I am against any signing of any agreement with modernist Rome but what I do want to know as an observer of recent everts is:


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    Who is "Dumb Ox" and why are they considered a reliable source of information? I am asking purely because I honestly want to know what qualifies them as reliable and not because I am having a jab at them.

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    Menzingen Has Spoken
    « Reply #46 on: April 24, 2012, 07:47:06 AM »
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  • I am assuming Dumb Ox has done a lot of research on this long-running soap opera and has come to some definite conclusions. There seems to be much reliance on what Society leaders and bishops said in the past about conciliar Rome and their statements are being used to predict their actions post-preamble. However, these leaders can say different things at different times it appears and the pro-agreement faction is using such uncertainty to minimise the weight of opposition. And saying something at a time when one is safe is quite different to putting oneself on the line. Time will tell whether brave words lead to brave actions.

    The Crow is the alternative for Maximillian Krah whose name was banned on Ignis Ardens when it got cold feet over the disclosure of Krahgate, the antics of a Society lawyer and his bevaviour towards Bp. Williamson. Krahgate is still current because this unhealthy juxtaposition is still current. Much like the parallel Rome/Menzingen event.