Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Attacks on Pope Benedict - from man or God?  (Read 3018 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline SJB

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5171
  • Reputation: +1932/-17
  • Gender: Male
Attacks on Pope Benedict - from man or God?
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2010, 08:26:21 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Caminus
    Quote from: SJB
    Quote from: Caminus
    Quote
    I've already confronted Mr. Hoffman on his blog on the ambiguous nature of many of his posts on regards to Protestantism/Catholicism.


    I can't decipher the ambiguity either.  I asked him twice if he was a traditional Catholic to which I recieved no reply.  If he is Catholic simply because of the traditional doctrine concerning the Jєωs, then his motives would be false and the deep scandal he has taken regarding the modern hierarchy viz. Jєωιѕн relations would certainly destroy that singular motive.  Thus, if these prelates have taken an erroneous view of Judaism, the entire Church would to him be false.  He, like SV's, can't seem to comprehend that the Pope could be an instrument of the devil in many ways and still remain a member of the Church.    


    Agreed, but these "many ways" are not just "any ways". You seem to miss that distinction, Caminus.


    Yes and those "many ways" can include doctrinal matters.  Mike seems to want to limit the possibility to mere immorality of the lower appetite.  And small errors in thought can lead to enormous consequences.  SV's also seem to want to deny this possibility, many arguing inductively from those very grave effects.    


    So are you saying the errors since Vatican II are small errors only with big consequences? I don't believe you actually think this is the case.

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


    Offline Caminus

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3013
    • Reputation: +1/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Attacks on Pope Benedict - from man or God?
    « Reply #31 on: April 10, 2010, 12:39:55 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • No, the errors and heresy caused by the deficient formulation or erroneous constructs of Vatican II are enormous and have had very grave consequences.  

    Now I'd like to see Mike actually respond rather than running away again.  


    Offline SJB

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5171
    • Reputation: +1932/-17
    • Gender: Male
    Attacks on Pope Benedict - from man or God?
    « Reply #32 on: April 10, 2010, 01:34:08 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Caminus
    No, the errors and heresy caused by the deficient formulation or erroneous constructs of Vatican II are enormous and have had very grave consequences.  

    Now I'd like to see Mike actually respond rather than running away again.  


    So these errors and heresy did not come from any real living person. Is that what you are saying?
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

    Offline Caminus

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3013
    • Reputation: +1/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Attacks on Pope Benedict - from man or God?
    « Reply #33 on: April 10, 2010, 01:45:43 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Right, that's exactly what I'm saying.   :facepalm:

    Offline SJB

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5171
    • Reputation: +1932/-17
    • Gender: Male
    Attacks on Pope Benedict - from man or God?
    « Reply #34 on: April 10, 2010, 06:06:42 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Caminus
    Right, that's exactly what I'm saying.   :facepalm:


    Well then, what are you saying?
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


    Offline Classiccom

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 768
    • Reputation: +0/-2
    • Gender: Male
    Attacks on Pope Benedict - from man or God?
    « Reply #35 on: April 13, 2010, 08:05:46 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0


  • http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:50e22f56-7f1d-42fc-ab09-63e1fa8edffd

    Pope Attacks? A 'Jєωιѕн Led Plot'.
     

    Tim Marshall
    April 12, 2010 12:37 PM

    Recommend post (15)

    If you are an 81 year old Italian bishop of a certain persuasion, the anti everything kind, then the reasons for the recent attacks on the Pope over the pedophilia scandal are obvious; they are a 'Jєωιѕн led plot'.

    The quoted views of Giacomo Babibi come from an interview he gave to a right wing Catholic website -Pontifex. I say quoted becuase he has subsequently denied them, but he does have a history of previous, as indeed does his church. About 1,900 years of it.

    According to the website, Monsignor Babini, the retired bishop of Grosseto, told them that 'The enemies of catholicism are always the same - Freemasons and Jєωs...Let me be more precise, it is a refined Zionist media attack against the Church. At the end of the day the Jєωs are a Deicide (god killing) people...they and no-one else carried out the Crucifixion'.

    Last time I looked, which was Easter Friday whilst watching 'The Greatest Story Ever Told', John Wayne was wearing a Roman Centurion's outfit whilst drawling 'Aw truly this was the son of Gard' as his colleagues nailed Jesus to the cross.

    But then what would you expect from a man of the cloth (Babini not Wayne) who also believes that although the h0Ɩ0cαųst was shameful, it took place due to Jєωs 'strangling Germany economically'.

    Of course we could dismiss this as the rantings of a man from the past, but sadly, it follows others, those of senior Vatican officals, that the recent criticism of the Holy Father is part of various plots to undermine him. Then there was interesting comparison by a top priest that the criticism was similar to the nαzι witchhunt of Jєωs - you know all that recent rounding up Catholic priests across Europe and sending them in trains to concentrations camps whilst surrounding the Vatican ghetto before starving and shelling it. Or did you miss that?

    To give the Vatican credit, the American Jєωιѕн Group Committee website quotes bishop Vincenzo Paglia as saying that Babini's remarks are "entirely contrary to the official line and mainstream thought of the Catholic church".

    Indeed, since Vatican II that is true. Vatican II overturned centuries of Catholic thought and led to the apology for not speaking out during the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    However, lingering in the darker corners of sections of catholic thought are the ideas of Babini. It is difficult for this not to be so. The Romans crucified Jesus, so when, a few centuries later they decided to become Christians, this presented somehting of a problem. The way round it was to insert some new passages into scripture and hey presto it was the Jєωs wot done it. One of the most infamous is from the Book of John 'Ye are of your father the devil'. Another is from Mathew; The Jєωs said of Jesus's death "Let his blood be on our heads and that of our children' Leave to one side liberal christian interpretation, these passages have been used by those of Babini's mindset for centuries.

    Pontifex is standing by its story and pointing out other interviews Babini has given in a similar vein. He does not
    care much for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, his take on Church of England converts coming to Catholic churches? - 'I hope we don't get a whole load of gαys coming onboard.' .. he believes ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are 'abhorent'' and ''against nature'' adding ''in the animal kingdom animals respect their sɛҳuąƖity so from that point of view that is better.'

    This one could run and run....for another few centuries.