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Offline Geremia

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Revolution Revealed: The Triumph of Modernism
« on: January 27, 2014, 12:17:47 AM »
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  • The full-text of the pope's closest cardinal-adviser's speech is here.
    Listen to it here (MP3 file).

    Analysis from The Remnant:
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    Part I: http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/182-revolution-revealed-the-triumph-of-modernism-and-the-end-of-the-traditional-catholic-church
    Part II: http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/184-revolution-revealed-the-triumph-of-modernism-and-the-end-of-the-traditional-catholic-church
    Some over at FE seem to think it's so amazing that this adviser to Francis, Oscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga, S.D.B., recognizes that Vatican II was called to solve Modernism, yet this is how he conceives Modernism:
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    Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person.
    That's a completely humanistic, naturalistic misconception of Modernism! Did Pope St. Pius X, in Pascendi, even mention "dignity and the rights of the person" when characterizing the heresy of Modernism?

    He thinks:
    • the pre-Vatican II Church was not "humane";
    • "the world is the only subject that interests God" (Despite that Christ said the world will hate those who follow Him?)
    • "Within the people [the Church], there is not a dual classification of Christians –laity and clergy, essentially different." (This is Protestantism!)
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    Revolution Revealed: The Triumph of Modernism
    « Reply #1 on: January 27, 2014, 01:12:18 AM »
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  • Be afraid, be very afraid and pray that Jesus returns soon.

    These social justice catholics freak me out.


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    Revolution Revealed: The Triumph of Modernism
    « Reply #2 on: January 27, 2014, 01:12:32 AM »
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  • Another thing he said in the audio of his speech: He wants a Dicastery (not just a Council) for the Laity, thus making the laity a factor in the governance of the Church.

    He added some things in the audio, not in the text: "the function of the hierarchy…is not power…It is not 'I command! I reign here!' No! Authority is like the author of a book, writing everyday beautiful pages to make the book grow up."  ???

    Quote from: Pascendi §23, on how the Modernists conceive the Church its authority
    Hence [according to the Modernists] the triple authority in the Catholic Church, disciplinary, dogmatic, liturgical. The nature of this authority is to be gathered from its origin, and its rights and duties from its nature. In past times it was a common error that authority came to the Church from without, that is to say directly from God; and it was then rightly held to be autocratic. But his conception had now grown obsolete. For in the same way as the Church is a vital emanation of the collectivity of consciences, so too authority emanates vitally from the Church itself. Authority therefore, like the Church, has its origin in the religious conscience, and, that being so, is subject to it. Should it disown this dependence it becomes a tyranny. For we are living in an age when the sense of liberty has reached its fullest development, and when the public conscience has in the civil order introduced popular government. Now there are not two consciences in man, any more than there are two lives. It is for the ecclesiastical authority, therefore, to shape itself to democratic forms, unless it wishes to provoke and foment an intestine conflict in the consciences of mankind. The penalty of refusal is disaster. For it is madness to think that the sentiment of liberty, as it is now spread abroad, can surrender. Were it forcibly confined and held in bonds, terrible would be its outburst, sweeping away at once both Church and religion. Such is the situation for the Modernists, and their one great anxiety is, in consequence, to find a way of conciliation between the authority of the Church and the liberty of believers.


    I liked this part:
    "…non-practicing Catholics. What does it mean? They are non-Catholic." :)

    He, like Francis, dislikes "bell-tower priests" ("sacristy priests") and non-"open-door churches"  which aren't "open to everyone". "We need to go out!"
    It's interesting he says this when before he mentioned how we need to be like Mary listening to Jesus. The interior life is the basis of the apostolate.

    "I can say now: 'St. John Paul II'!" (applause) wow…
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    Revolution Revealed: The Triumph of Modernism
    « Reply #3 on: January 27, 2014, 02:52:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia


    I liked this part:
    "…non-practicing Catholics. What does it mean? They are non-Catholic." :)


    There's Catholics who have supernatural faith and others who just go through the motions to be part of the community.

     :alcohol: