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Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 11, 2010, 04:05:29 PM
http://mortemautemcrucis.blogspot.com/2010/10/reverend-emile-miller.html
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 11, 2010, 04:35:11 PM
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He claimed to be under Oliver Oravec, a questionable priest and invalid bishop,[/b]


Why is Bishop Oravec a questionable priest and invalid bishop?
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 11, 2010, 05:01:39 PM
Obediens, any idea who is being referred to here:

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Without any permission or excardination process, Miller worked for a short time under Bishop George Musey (who along with Bishop Carmona had disassociated himself a few years before from Bishop Louis, by "consecrating" heretical and mentally-incompetent men to the episcopacy)
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 11, 2010, 05:11:29 PM
Altenbach - Feeneyite
Siebert - Mentally Incompetent
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 11, 2010, 05:14:49 PM
Thank you.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 11, 2010, 05:23:42 PM
Oravec's ordination as a priest is questionable because of who ordained him, also there is no proof.

He is an invalid bishop due to McKenna's own problems... this has been described many times in The Seraph which is available online, on the Friars sites: www.friarsminor.org and www.franciscanfathers.com

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He claimed to be under Oliver Oravec, a questionable priest and invalid bishop,[/b]


Why is Bishop Oravec a questionable priest and invalid bishop?
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 11, 2010, 05:27:56 PM
I have to pay to read this magazine?  We do not have the money for such things.

If you have vital information for people, I shouldn't have to pay to find it out.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 11, 2010, 05:32:28 PM
Thanks again!  I'll go read them.  
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 11, 2010, 05:34:54 PM
Also many who can not afford it receive are subscribers to The Seraph, the contributions of generous benefactors allow the Friars to mail it free to those who need it.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 11, 2010, 05:55:18 PM
Obediens, I am downloading these magazines.  Some interesting stuff in them.  Thanks again!
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 11, 2010, 06:12:15 PM
Obediens

Is it possible to get these back issues in the mail?
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Roman Catholic on November 11, 2010, 06:58:06 PM
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www.friarsminor.org and www.franciscanfathers.com

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  :rolleyes: Warning!
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 11, 2010, 06:58:32 PM
If they are recent issues, I believe so, but they would probably want donations for postage.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Roman Catholic on November 11, 2010, 07:07:54 PM
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If they are recent issues, I believe so, but they would probably want donations for postage.


I would not give them a cent.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Roman Catholic on November 11, 2010, 07:14:50 PM
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 Also, he refuses to submit to Bishop Giles Butler, OFM as his Ordinary.



Who appointed Butler as the Ordinary? And who appointed the one who appointed Butler?

Ordinary of where? - What territorial jursidiction does Butler claim?
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 11, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
All of these questions have already been answered numerous times in The Seraph, available online.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Roman Catholic on November 11, 2010, 07:26:00 PM
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All of these questions have already been answered numerous times in The Seraph, available online.


Well if they have been answered numerous times do you know the answers?

If so, can you post them?
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 11, 2010, 08:05:35 PM
They're your questions, if you really want the truth, look for the answers yourself.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Roman Catholic on November 11, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
The truth about the legitimacy of claims that those people are Ordinaries with jurisdiction over Catholics in certain territories will not be found where you want us to look.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Elizabeth on November 11, 2010, 09:04:02 PM
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http://franciscanfathers.com/the_seraph.html

http://friarsminor.org/SeraphFrameSet.html


Thanks, Obediens.  I have read three of the issues so far.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Elizabeth on November 12, 2010, 10:02:50 AM
The critiques of a certain cleric in The Seraph are very interesting because they offer us a glimpse of the mindset of our dysfunctional traddy chapels and the men who run them. ( Although the author makes a very good point about the priests hired by the rich benefactors to offer Mass  :laugh2:)

The fact that the author believes he is one of two valid bishops is fascinating.  At least he comes right out and says so in public, unlike some of his more "meek as a dove"  fellow traddy bishops.

  I find myself sympathetic with much that he has to say, then jarred by what Dawn has mentioned, the lack of Franciscan charity.

I was particularly put off by the description of a priest who had endured such severe torture in China that he obeys everyone. How is this poor priest considered anything less than a huge, undeserved blessing by his brothers?  How is it that traddy priests throughout the US have not been fighting over who gets to help this martyred Catholic priest?

I recommend reading these issues of The Seraph because they offer insight into the history of the US traddy Movement, and its infiltration by the John Birch Society.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 12, 2010, 11:33:14 AM
Obediens, there is a letter in one of the issues of The Seraph that Bishop McKenna wrote in 1982.   Would it be all right if I copied it and put it on here?  It is very interesting what Bishop McKenna had to say in it.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 12, 2010, 03:12:21 PM
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I was particularly put off by the description of a priest who had endured such severe torture in China that he obeys everyone. How is this poor priest considered anything less than a huge, undeserved blessing by his brothers? How is it that traddy priests throughout the US have not been fighting over who gets to help this martyred Catholic priest?


I just finished reading about this.   I don't know if he is still alive.  You would have to contact Maryknoll to get the truth here, and I doubt that they would correspond with you.  They tend to be leery of people that they do not know.  Apparently, they have been burned many times.  In any event, I notice a Toledo, Ohio connection which was (maybe still is) a hotbed of satanic activity - like Chicago.  

Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Elizabeth on November 12, 2010, 03:16:25 PM
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I just finished reading about this.   I don't know if he is still alive.  In any event, I notice a Toledo, Ohio connection which was (maybe still is) a hotbed of satanic activity - like Chicago.  

Ah! So did I last night, but it was late-which number is that in, do you remember?  Thanks!  And of course the Cincinnati/Kentucky connection.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 12, 2010, 03:20:25 PM
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I just finished reading about this.   I don't know if he is still alive.  In any event, I notice a Toledo, Ohio connection which was (maybe still is) a hotbed of satanic activity - like Chicago.  

Ah! So did I last night, but it was late-which number is that in, do you remember?  Thanks!  And of course the Cincinnati/Kentucky connection.


February 2010
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Telesphorus on November 12, 2010, 03:33:25 PM
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and its infiltration by the John Birch Society.


links?

edit: never mind
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Dawn on November 12, 2010, 04:18:27 PM
Am I the only one that can actually feel the evil coming from this site? It is tangible when I try to read any writings coming from Seraph. I will not look there anymore.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 12, 2010, 04:44:17 PM
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Am I the only one that can actually feel the evil coming from this site? It is tangible when I try to read any writings coming from Seraph. I will not look there anymore.


I guess so.  :thinking:   :wink:
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 12, 2010, 08:26:10 PM
The man was Fr. Ralph Siebert, whom Musey later "consecrated." How could a man who could not mentally function properly be validly consecrated? From what I hear he could hardly make much, much less important decisions by himself.

He lived out the rest of his days at Mt. St. Michael's... he may be buried there.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 12, 2010, 08:27:31 PM
Bishop Vezelis published it, but I do not speak for him or the Franciscans in the least bit. I've merely provided links. It is now in the public domain and has been read by hundreds of people... I don't see the problem with re-posting what McKenna wrote.

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Obediens, there is a letter in one of the issues of The Seraph that Bishop McKenna wrote in 1982.   Would it be all right if I copied it and put it on here?  It is very interesting what Bishop McKenna had to say in it.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 12, 2010, 08:28:27 PM
In the United States, yes. You're forgetting Bishop Madrigal in Mexico, however.

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The fact that the author believes he is one of two valid bishops is fascinating.  At least he comes right out and says so in public, unlike some of his more "meek as a dove"  fellow traddy bishops.

  I find myself sympathetic with much that he has to say, then jarred by what Dawn has mentioned, the lack of Franciscan charity.

I was particularly put off by the description of a priest who had endured such severe torture in China that he obeys everyone. How is this poor priest considered anything less than a huge, undeserved blessing by his brothers?  How is it that traddy priests throughout the US have not been fighting over who gets to help this martyred Catholic priest?

I recommend reading these issues of The Seraph because they offer insight into the history of the US traddy Movement, and its infiltration by the John Birch Society.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 12, 2010, 08:31:05 PM
Please do not forget that I made this thread to let everyone know the true story of Rev. Emile Miller of Christ the King Chapel, Lafayette LA. That is the intended purpose... so everyone can know who "Fr. Francis" really is. Thank you.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Elizabeth on November 12, 2010, 08:53:50 PM
Obediens, please forgive us for railroading your original point to this thread!

Let's get back on track!
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 12, 2010, 09:39:45 PM
I don't mind discussing what's been brought up, just on a different thread.

If there is anyone sincerely interested in the truth, read the franciscanfathers.comand friarsminor.org sites... you will find out more about the real situation we are faced with in the Church today.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Roman Catholic on November 13, 2010, 12:38:35 AM
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I don't mind discussing what's been brought up, just on a different thread.

If there is anyone sincerely interested in the truth, read the franciscanfathers.comand friarsminor.org sites... you will find out more about the real situation we are faced with in the Church today.


What real situation -- do you mean like the imagined situation they claim (and you promote) that they are the only Catholic clergy in the whole USA?
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Dawn on November 13, 2010, 05:27:52 AM
This thread was never railroaded. I do not think obediens would mind gossiping about any Traditional priest or bishop any one can come up with. Of course nobody in their group as they are the most mentally balanced and truest or as they say the ONLY Catholics in the world.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 13, 2010, 08:53:49 AM
Dawn, how have I been guilty of gossip? Thank you.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Dawn on November 13, 2010, 10:05:50 AM
You are good at this. Well, if my fellow Cathinfos can not see the hateful and vicious tone used in those articles I am sad.
They are full of mocking venom.
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Dawn on November 13, 2010, 10:07:38 AM
Your website was discussed here before

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Are-there-any-other-good-websites-out-there
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: Alexandria on November 13, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
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The man was Fr. Ralph Siebert, whom Musey later "consecrated." How could a man who could not mentally function properly be validly consecrated? From what I hear he could hardly make much, much less important decisions by himself.

He lived out the rest of his days at Mt. St. Michael's... he may be buried there.


You are right.  I had forgotten all about that.  No wonder why his name sounded so familiar to me.


Obediens, I  thank you for posting these links.  They have proved invaluable to me in ways you could not imagine.  
Title: Rev. Emile Miller, Lafayette LA
Post by: obediens on November 13, 2010, 03:18:45 PM
I don't have a website, I do have a small, modest blog. But it's not the one discussed in that thread.

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Your website was discussed here before

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Are-there-any-other-good-websites-out-there