Author Topic: Responses to the Crisis: Conciliar Church = Catholic Church? (Read 11557 times)

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #45 on:** January 13, 2020, 07:16:46 PM »

You know Praeter, this is not fun and games. This is the most serious topic that anyone on this Earth could discuss. You treat it with such nonchalance that I’m embarrassed for you. Your pope, the man who is supposedly the one who holds the keys of the Kingdom, says that I can be saved in any religion whatsoever. In fact, he even says that atheists can be saved!

If you truly profess the Catholic Faith, I suggest you drop this charade, stop posting and start praying. You are playing with fire, pal and it seems you are too dumb to know it or you just don’t care. People’s immortal souls are at stake!

Now I’m done with you.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #46 on:** January 13, 2020, 07:34:25 PM »

Quote from: Praeter on January 13, 2020, 06:34:12 PM

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I even believe that there are some hierarchs who too are in material error only and therefore legitimately exercise jurisdiction.
You just contradicted yourself. How can they have jurisdiction if they belong to a false Church? They can't. You just implicitly admitted that you believe the entity you call the Conciliar Church is really the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

Yes, it seems like a contradiction to me. How can a prelate in a false church exercise legitimate jurisdiction?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #47 on:** January 13, 2020, 07:35:14 PM »

Quote from: Praeter on January 13, 2020, 06:34:12 PM

If by "in the Novus Ordo" you mean to include Traditional Catholics, you are making the false assumption that they are in material error.

No, my definition of Novus Ordo doesn't include Traditional Catholics (unless you consider FSSP or other Motarian groups to be Traditional). I'm not assuming that they ARE in material, but asserting that they MAY be in material error. There are many good-willed souls in the Conciliar Church who hold whatever errors they do simply because they THINK it has been taught by the Church; that is the very definition of material error.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #48 on:** January 13, 2020, 07:37:43 PM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on January 13, 2020, 07:34:25 PM

You just contradicted yourself. How can they have jurisdiction if they belong to a false Church? They can't. You just implicitly admitted that you believe the entity you call the Conciliar Church is really the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

Yes, it seems like a contradiction to me. How can a prelate in a false church exercise legitimate jurisdiction?

In attempting to equate the Conciliar Church with the Catholic Church, contradictions are inevitable, since those two do contradict one another.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #49 on:** January 13, 2020, 07:40:37 PM »

Quote from: Praeter on January 13, 2020, 06:34:12 PM

You just contradicted yourself. How can they have jurisdiction if they belong to a false Church? They can't. You just implicitly admitted that you believe the entity you call the Conciliar Church is really the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

No, this is according to the distinction of sedeprivationism. They are materially in the Conciliar Church but still formally Catholic.

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