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Offline holysoulsacademy

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« on: February 04, 2014, 11:28:51 PM »
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    Not to sound like a whining baby but...What to do when a priest seems to be mocking you?

    One of the priests who comes to serve Mass at our chapel sounds like he is mocking me, making sarcastic and digging comments.  
    At this point I have shrugged it off to a bad sense of humor.  
    One day I made the mistake and spoke (I should really keep my mouth shut) and made a suggestion to a problem they were having at the chapel.
    Of course they thought it was outrageous, so it was dropped and never mentioned again.  
    But since then this priest seemed to take every opportunity to make mocking statements to me as if to remind me of my foolish statement.

    I was raised to have the utmost respect for priests so I have a very difficult time even having casual conversations with them, let alone answering back.  
    It would be like answering back your parents wouldn't it?

    I would never even dream of participating in the banter that I normally see him engage in with other parishioners after Mass.

    Should I just ignore it and chuck it off as a bad sense of humor?  
    Or should I engage the banter, as I was most tempted to do, but suddenly realized, I was talking to a priest - he who offers up the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass - and out of respect for the Office that he holds, I should bite my tongue and not say anything especially if it would sound like a mocking comeback.  
    Or is it considered fair game since he started the comments?

    Now I feel very uncomfortable talking to him and avoid him like the plague after Mass.

    How would you handle this?

     :baby:



    Offline s2srea

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    « Reply #1 on: February 05, 2014, 09:28:33 AM »
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  • This depends entirely on your relationship with the priest. Of course we are to have respect for them, at all times.

    Priests are human. Sometimes they just want to speak and be spoken to normally. If they have a cheery or playful disposition, they might engage in playful banter. If you're not very close with them, as with anyone, this may make you uncomfortable. If you're a woman, I also could see why this would make you uncomfortable. I have, and have had, friendships with some priests where we make sarcastic playful remarks and make jokes with one another, but its because we're friends. For example, Fr. Hewko was amazed at ATM machines when we went to a store together many years ago, and I never let him live it down lol I always think that priests appreciate being recognized as human. Example, we were at the wedding of my sister and I realized no one had offered the priest a glass of wine. I offered, and he readily accepted! There is a level of respect that is never crossed, that's for sure, but sometimes I find people too eager to treat them with white gloves and overly intimidated by them.

    I can't really tell from what you've posted so far if he's being uncharitable. If he is, I would just offer that up, as he will have to account for his actions to our blessed Lord. If it becomes too uncomfortable to the point of being a spiritual distraction, perhaps have a sideline with him, or ask your husband to if appropriate, and ask him if there's something wrong. He should get the message.

    Hope this helps, and I'll say a prayer that everything goes well.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 05, 2014, 09:40:40 AM »
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  • The next time the second collection is for the priests retirement fund, write a check for one cent.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 05, 2014, 11:57:14 AM »
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  • "Now I feel very uncomfortable talking to him and avoid him like the plague after Mass."

    The effect of what you are going through is similar to what somebody has had, what has been described as a 'curse' or 'black magic' effected upon them. Essentially, it's a manipulation of your reality - to get you to feel as though the weight of the world is on your shoulders...to get you to feel dreadful to get up and go to Mass. To make your world up-side-down. Another way to describe 'diabololial disorientation' - is misdirection (magic) a form of deception in which your attention is being focused on 'who and why are they against me,' in order to distract you from your mission in life. My guess is that it might involve somebody in your sphere that doesn't even go to that Mass. Kinda united to that 'mystery of iniquity.'

    Wiki: Misdirection (magic) - "misdirection is a form of deception in which the attention of an audience is focused on one thing in order to distract its attention from another." ..."The central secret of conjuring ... is a manipulation of interests."

    What sucks, is that when it's 'you,' you almost never figure it out until it's too late: "stop going to a Mass God wants you to,"/ "you don't take a particular job, etc." In part, because it takes inductive reasoning, to study the 'effect' and go back; which is a lot harder than logical deductive reasoning.

    My guess is that you are a sensitive person, whose thirst for piety allows God to use you to bring grace into the world... or maybe your role in developing your children's future may make them a fearful enemy of the devil... All the power of this kind against arises on a natural plane. Meaning, you give it strength when you give it recognition. Since Satan is the prince of this world, he uses what he has easy access to. That is the anguish of feeling like your 'an outsider,' or that 'your weird'... all the human respect stuff that he can easily manipulate

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    « Reply #4 on: February 05, 2014, 12:26:25 PM »
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  • Secular priests are a bit different from religious, so that is one factor tot take into account. Some people are more at ease with being familiar with the priest. It just depends on the individual. It really is a lonely life in many cases. You have to see the priest as human, too. He has likes dislikes and a personality to go with it. Sometimes those faults come to the surface, like they do in all of us.

    I generally do not chit chat with the priest because I'm there for the mass and usually I don't have any interest in getting to know the priest better. I try to leave his time open for people with questions or so that children might approach him. There are priests that I really do like and we would have them over for family dinner but then there are others that just would not be comfortable in my home.

    Keep in mind that they also have to minister to people of all temperaments. One priest I know is very good at bonding with shallow people and drawing them in. He is a very intelligent and pious priest and he has good sense on how to break the ice and draw others in to the mass, sacraments, devotions.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 05, 2014, 12:27:06 PM »
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  • "Not to sound like a whining baby but...What to do when a priest seems to be mocking you? "

    Funny that you say that; I've felt something similar- not recently, but about a 1& 1/2 years ago. I remember getting a flat tire two separate times when I walked out to go to my car after Mass. Looking back, I felt this heaviness, ...every Sunday morning an hour before Mass. On one specific occasion, during confession, it sounded as if he had laughed at me (only for a couple of seconds) when the context was serious. When I would meet him after Mass, everything was like normal again. The weirdest thing... I just realized the effect was that I was hating going to Mass, and would miss Mass on a frequent basis.

    What helped me was re-interpreting my anguish of soul into an opportunity, to love God more purely based on faith. Meaning at that time of my life, I was being tested by God and was allowed to suffer to bring me to love Him for Himself. I was stripped of loving Him because of some guy dressed in cassocks... the vestments... the liturgy (natural motives); now it was to make a supernatural act of faith and believe in Him alone. But, this is really half the battle.

    For me, I had to get to the point of very specifically doing everything I can to be in the state of grace then (evening before/ morning of), get God involved and be very clear in directing your intention (can't be half-asleep and vague). Then, direct with all of your human willpower (and be very specific) that you want to offer your anguish of soul in union with the merits of Jesus and Mary to the Eternal Father so that Jesus may experience love today, starting with yourself. Or.. you might unite your anguish of soul to the merits of Jesus and Mary for grace to be given...somewhere in this world for the conversion and eternal salvation of those Jesus and Mary want most to know Him, to serve Him, and to love Him. So what you are doing, is taking Satan's black magic and using it against him mystically and on the supernatural plane - not the natural one (fighting against him using only your reason and 'smarts').

    For me, it was a test of my Faith. You see, you're taking that negative energy against you and (like alchemy ~ turning !@#$ into gold) re-interpreting it.... changing it into an opportunity for grace to be given to the world - imitating Jesus who did the same for you and for me (with His sufferings during His mortal life)... for us... You'll start to notice that 'heaviness' starting to break. Satan, instead of destroying you, now has his power turned against him.

    There are a lot more things you can do (I've done); but I would be here with another 2 pages of techniques you can do to fight back. And I might add; you are in a war and need to realize that the war is being brought to your very doorsteps; although invisible. A battle of the wills so to speak.

     

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    « Reply #6 on: February 05, 2014, 05:14:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: holysoulsacademy
    :baby:
    Not to sound like a whining baby but...What to do when a priest seems to be mocking you?

    One of the priests who comes to serve Mass at our chapel sounds like he is mocking me, making sarcastic and digging comments.  
    At this point I have shrugged it off to a bad sense of humor.  
    One day I made the mistake and spoke (I should really keep my mouth shut) and made a suggestion to a problem they were having at the chapel.
    Of course they thought it was outrageous, so it was dropped and never mentioned again.  
    But since then this priest seemed to take every opportunity to make mocking statements to me as if to remind me of my foolish statement.

    I was raised to have the utmost respect for priests so I have a very difficult time even having casual conversations with them, let alone answering back.  
    It would be like answering back your parents wouldn't it?

    I would never even dream of participating in the banter that I normally see him engage in with other parishioners after Mass.

    Should I just ignore it and chuck it off as a bad sense of humor?  
    Or should I engage the banter, as I was most tempted to do, but suddenly realized, I was talking to a priest - he who offers up the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass - and out of respect for the Office that he holds, I should bite my tongue and not say anything especially if it would sound like a mocking comeback.  
    Or is it considered fair game since he started the comments?

    Now I feel very uncomfortable talking to him and avoid him like the plague after Mass.

    How would you handle this?

     :baby:



    Could you provide us with some examples?  

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    « Reply #7 on: February 05, 2014, 06:45:57 PM »
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  • Penny: are you New Order or traditional?


    Offline songbird

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    « Reply #8 on: February 05, 2014, 06:47:33 PM »
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  • I am sorry: To Holy who posted, are you New Order or Traditional?