Author Topic: Requesting Info on Fr. Joseph Bachtiger (Read 7433 times)

SenzaDubbio · « **on:** July 25, 2015, 04:39:22 PM »

A few questions of concern are:

Is he a sedevacantist?

Did he have proper training before his ordination?

Does he teach against baptism of desire/blood?

Any information regarding these questions would be helpful.

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2015, 05:42:58 PM »

Why don't you ask him these questions?

SenzaDubbio · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2015, 08:12:08 PM »

Thank you.

I tried locating his contact information online, but to no avail. I sent an email to Fr. Adan Rodriguez, who offers Mass at the same chapel, and am waiting for a reply. I was trying to find out more information before the end of the day.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2015, 09:13:34 PM »

They also serve NJ.

They are good holy priests. And they are nice too.

They are connected with Bishop McKenna, Bishop Hesson and Bishop Moreno.

The Chapels are Independent Traditional Catholic.

The laity is mixed. There are chapel members who are sedevacantist and some who aren't.
The Connecticut webpage ( Our Lady of the Rosary) will have the times for Mass. There is also a telephone number.

TKGS · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2015, 05:44:36 AM »

Are you asking out of idle curiosity or were you looking for a chapel to attend?

Would you refuse to attend if he gives the "wrong" answers? What are the "right" answers?

I noticed that you didn't ask about the source of his ordination. Do you know who ordained him? If so, that would probably answer most of your questions.

I am serious on these matters. Too many traditional Catholics, I think, are too concerned over things that really don't matter and, frankly, refuse communion with other Catholics over issues that aren't all that important when it comes to finding a confessor or someone to provide the Holy Mass. I have yet to understand how a priest's view on the Chair of St. Peter really matters to the faithful who attend his Mass (and here is, I think, my sole disagreement with the public stand of Fr. Cekada and the so-called "una cuм Mass" issue). I know at least two good priests whose opinion on the matter of the pope has changed over the years and, frankly, unless the subject comes up in conversation, no one would ever know. I know priests who teach baptism of desire and those who do not, and, frankly, other than a comments and a sermon every blue moon, it is impossible to know the difference. I have never heard a priest say that his "training" was improper, so that seems to be an issue that certain faithful take upon themselves to judge the propriety.

As the Crisis in the Church was still in the early stages, I know a priest who told a family who was moving to a new State that when they found a traditional chapel they should attend Mass there for six months before really becoming involved in the chapel or really participating in parish life. If, during those six months, what they heard and saw was Catholic, then the chapel was likely to be Catholic. If, on the other hand, they heard and saw things that were non-Catholic, they should look elsewhere.

The problem with the things you mentioned that you are concerned with is the fact (and I do mean fact) that there are legitimate arguments on every side of the position and none of us here on CathInfo can truly settle the matters.

Donato · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:57:52 PM »

Quote from: SenzaDubbio

A few questions of concern are:

Is he a sedevacantist?

Did he have proper training before his ordination?

Does he teach against baptism of desire/blood?

Any information regarding these questions would be helpful.

Father Bachtinger is a valid priest who was ordained by Bishop Hesson, who was consecrated from the de Lauriers- McKenna lineage (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Bishop_Lineage_Diagram.jpg)

He was certainly trained properly, as any priest who tells one that they are surely on the road to hell(unless they change their ways) after hearing the confessor's sins is obviously one who cares for that person's eternal soul.

In regards to him teaching baptism of desire/blood- I've never met a traditional priest who actually teaches this, they accept it as a part of the Church's teaching (which they are), but really its not talked about as the necessity of baptism is always stressed (as well as the necessity for all the other sacraments in order to remain in a state of grace).

Feel free to send me a PM with any questions regarding the St. Mary the Virgin Chapel in Paulsboro.

monka966 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:42:19 PM »

Dear all,

This post is not meant to defame anyone, but I would be cautious about Bp. J. Hesson and priests in his lineage. Please refer to the attached hyperlink for his strange association (top of the page):

http://orderofpenance.blogspot.com/p/founders-coordinators-volunteers.html

God bless.

P.S. I found this webpage by performing a random search in Google.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:03:23 PM »

Quote from: monka966

Dear all,

This post is not meant to defame anyone, but I would be cautious about Bp. J. Hesson and priests in his lineage. Please refer to the attached hyperlink for his strange association (top of the page):

http://orderofpenance.blogspot.com/p/founders-coordinators-volunteers.html

God bless.

P.S. I found this webpage by performing a random search in Google.

It isn't the way it is.

Yes, pm Donato.

Donato · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:16:11 PM »

Ok, once again the devil tries to destroy anything that trads try to keep sacred.....Im not going to lash out at Monk for this link, the point is that if Bishop Hesson (who is not infallible, nor is any Traditional Bishop) got duped into this fraud of an outfit by association then that is really unfortunate....for as great as a man as His Excellency Archbishop Thuc was, he made at least 2 giant mistakes by consecrating the lunatic from the Palmarian sect, as well as Laborie (ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ satanist)....not even Father Jenkins would argue that this was done on purpose, and while its certainly not good, it speaks volumes as to how the devil wants to destroy tradition more than anything else....

This link has no bearing at all on Father Bachtinger and his valid ordination....it doesn't even say that Bishop Hesson ordained anyone or consecrated anyone from this apparent ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/occult outfit. Maybe Bishop Hesson, and Archbishop Thuc were naive, perhaps they were duped...again, the devil needs to get a hold of VALID priest lines in order to fulfill his unspeakable actions against the Blessed Sacrament. Its beyond terrible, and Im willing to bet any true traditional priest would certainly die before allowing this to happen.....but, there is the sad reality that they can be tricked into some of these outfits, and perhaps thats what happened here, if Bishop Hesson had anything to do with these people at all.

TKGS · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:39:30 PM »

Quote from: monka966

Dear all,

This post is not meant to defame anyone, but I would be cautious about Bp. J. Hesson and priests in his lineage. Please refer to the attached hyperlink for his strange association (top of the page):

http://orderofpenance.blogspot.com/p/founders-coordinators-volunteers.html

God bless.

P.S. I found this webpage by performing a random search in Google.

Bishop J. Hesson is not in the lineage of Bishop McKenna. So this website and this information has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

If you want to discuss new topics, please start a new topic rather post random information to an unrelated a topic.

Donato · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:55:37 PM »

Bishop Hesson was consecrated by Bishop Oravec from Canada who was consecrated by Bishop Mckenna

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Bishop_Lineage_Diagram.jpg

Rosa Mystica · « **Reply #11 on:** July 31, 2015, 03:08:58 PM »

Bishop Hesson has asked this group to not include him in any pictures on their website and to not mention him as accepting their "community". These pictures were taken with him before this man defected from the Catholic Faith and began this Ecuмenical Brothers and Sisters OPD community in New Jersey, a crazy ecuмenical community. Bishop McKenna and Bishop Hesson were working with this man only in the beginning (early 2000s) when he was showing signs of genuine desire to spread the Catholic Faith not to go against It. Both Bishops stopped working with him at the first signs of the ecuмenical evil he is still doing. He refuses to take these pictures down ignoring their adamant requests. The pictures are only left to insinuate approval from these traditional Bishops and convey a connection that simply does not exist.

You should really be careful about the links that are on this thread and I highly recommend taking down the post or editing it to delete this link so as not to scandalize the faithful as it does not reflect Bishop McKenna or Bishop Hesson.

GunsMotorcyclesFaith · « **Reply #12 on:** July 31, 2015, 11:37:18 PM »

I do not know a lot about Fr. Bachtiger but here is what I have heard from him and others who go to his chapel in NJ.

Fr. Bachtiger was ordained a priest by Bishop Hesson approx 21 years ago which must mean that he was ordained at an older age than most. He was probably in his late 40's or maybe 50's when ordained. Fr. is also around the same age as Bishop Hesson since he made mention to the fact that they both were high school buddies and entered the seminary together (before the changes of V2). Hesson was ordained a priest for the Diocese of Camden NJ but Bachtiger was not certain of his vocation and left the seminary to go out into the world. I don't know what he did for a living but eventually he finished up any leftover training with Bishop Hesson and was ordained at the chapel in Pausboro NJ. Fr. Bachtiger lives somewhere in FL now with Bishop Hesson but travels up to NJ every other Sunday to hear confessions and offer the sacrifice of the Mass. His sermons are very simple and he has stressed the importance of water baptism although I presume he fully submits to the Church's teaching on baptism of desire and blood. I know he is on good terms with the priests who work under Bishop Morello and I saw he was at Bishop Dolan's chapel in Ohio a few years back so I would assume he is also on good terms with Bishops Dolan and Sanborn. I believe he is also a sedevacantist since there are people who go to his Mass that stay away from the una cuм Masses of the SSPX (which are just over the bridge into PA) and due to the fact that he has only spoken of "Francis" instead of calling him "Pope Francis". From my understanding Bishop Hesson did not insert the name of any of the post V2 "popes" in his Masses which would make sense being he is a Thuc Bishop.

I hope their chapel grows in number especially since the nearby SSPX chapel will be having a priest who was ordained in the doubtful new rite stationed at their chapel soon.

http://www.saintmaryvirginchapel.org/

Donato · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:33:07 AM »

Quote from: GunsMotorcyclesFaith

I do not know a lot about Fr. Bachtiger but here is what I have heard from him and others who go to his chapel in NJ.

Fr. Bachtiger was ordained a priest by Bishop Hesson approx 21 years ago which must mean that he was ordained at an older age than most. He was probably in his late 40's or maybe 50's when ordained. Fr. is also around the same age as Bishop Hesson since he made mention to the fact that they both were high school buddies and entered the seminary together (before the changes of V2). Hesson was ordained a priest for the Diocese of Camden NJ but Bachtiger was not certain of his vocation and left the seminary to go out into the world. I don't know what he did for a living but eventually he finished up any leftover training with Bishop Hesson and was ordained at the chapel in Pausboro NJ. Fr. Bachtiger lives somewhere in FL now with Bishop Hesson but travels up to NJ every other Sunday to hear confessions and offer the sacrifice of the Mass. His sermons are very simple and he has stressed the importance of water baptism although I presume he fully submits to the Church's teaching on baptism of desire and blood. I know he is on good terms with the priests who work under Bishop Morello and I saw he was at Bishop Dolan's chapel in Ohio a few years back so I would assume he is also on good terms with Bishops Dolan and Sanborn. I believe he is also a sedevacantist since there are people who go to his Mass that stay away from the una cuм Masses of the SSPX (which are just over the bridge into PA) and due to the fact that he has only spoken of "Francis" instead of calling him "Pope Francis". From my understanding Bishop Hesson did not insert the name of any of the post V2 "popes" in his Masses which would make sense being he is a Thuc Bishop.

I hope their chapel grows in number especially since the nearby SSPX chapel will be having a priest who was ordained in the doubtful new rite stationed at their chapel soon.

http://www.saintmaryvirginchapel.org/

The above written is all correct; Father Bachtiger left the seminary at a young age because of all the disgusting modernism he was exposed to....I spoke with him about it once after Mass and he was very open about it....thank God he went back to finish his priestly training and become validly ordained later in life.

Father is not a "dogmatic" sedevacantist, meaning that he won't impose it on you, but he does in fact hold the position that Francis is a total heretic (which is 100 percent true). Neither Father Bachtiger nor Father Rodriquez offer the una cuм Mass, so it is a sedevacantist chapel.

On a side note, while I was eager and happy to defend Bishop Hesson's "affiliation" with that crazy cultish group mentioned previously (which Rosa Mystica explained away perfectly), let me say that I do not believe His Excellency is right on his stance regarding the Lefebrve linage; he is pretty much the opposite of Bishop Kelly/Father Jenkins, claiming that the Lefebrve linage is invalid due to "masonic infiltration ect"......

Just as Mario Derksen totally laid to rest once and for all any doubt regarding the Thuc lineage, Father Cekada totally destroys the whole Lieniert masonic disruption which may have caused "doubt" to Archbishop Lefebrve's ordination and consecration.....

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2015, 04:37:45 AM »

What time is Mass tomorrow?