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Re: Remission of venial sins removed in 1962 missal.
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2026, 11:50:53 AM »
Pre Covid, St. Joseph parish in Kennewick, WA had a 1962 missal Low Mass twice a month.  Until last summer St. Patrick parish in Walla Walla, WA had a 1962 missal High Mass on the second Sunday of the month.  At Mary Queen of Heaven in Sprague, WA a priest from the Benedictine Whitestone Monastery offers a 1962 missal Mass every Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation, typically a High Mass.  When Father Miller isn't available one of several priests of the Diocese of Spokane steps in.  Whenever I've attended any of these Masses they have always included the third Confiteor (the one just before the peoples Communion).  Even though the third Confiteor isn't included in the 1962 missal its usage is often retained by the "Indult groups". 

It is interesting to note that the Confiteor said at the beginning is technically not part of the Mass.  The Mass begins with the Introit and the two Confiteors are part of the preparatory Prayers at the Foot of the Altar before Mass begins.  The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostrm, used by Eastern Catholics, does not contain a Confiteor, penitential rite, or similar prayers of any kind.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Remission of venial sins removed in 1962 missal.
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2026, 12:28:44 PM »
The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostrm, used by Eastern Catholics, does not contain a Confiteor, penitential rite, or similar prayers of any kind.

Well, there's is generally a combined act of faith in the Real Presence, and a profession of unworthiness, and begging God's Mercy.  There's no absolution, but I would consider that prayer to most certainly be a penitential Rite of sorts.

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I believe, O Lord, and confess that You are truly Christ, the Son of the living God, Who came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am first. Accept me this day, O Son of God, as a partaker of Your mystical Supper. I will not tell Your Mystery to Your enemies, nor will I give You a kiss as did Judas, but like the thief, I confess to You: † Remember me, O Lord, when You come into Your kingdom. † Remember me, O Master, when You come into Your kingdom. 19 † Remember me, O Holy One, when You come into Your kingdom. May the partaking of Your Holy Mysteries, O Lord, be unto me not for judgment or condemnation, but for the healing of soul and body. † God, be merciful to me, a sinner. † God, cleanse me of my sins and have mercy on me. † I have sinned without number, forgive me, O Lord.

I do have some concern about the Eastern Rite's lack of emphasis on Confession, often wondering how many people say this prayer and think they can therefore receive Holy Communion in a state of mortal sin.  I know that the Ukrainian priest I know (brother of Major Archbishop Shevchuk) often appealed to the faithful to go to Confession from the pulpit, but he never clearly explained that "if you're in a state of mortal sin, you can't receive Holy Communion".  I have this sneaking suspicion that for many of them, unless they've committed murder, grand theft, adultery, or fornication, they probably don't understand what a mortal sin even is.

I actually severed ties with Father Shevchuk a couple years ago.  I got annoyed with his shilling for Ukrainians vs. Russia, evidently unaware that the same Jews behind the Holodomor and Communism are the ones behind this absurd war that's doing nothing but sending Ukrainians into the meat grinder.  But that was just annoyance.  When at one Divine Liturgy they were praying for "the IDF" during the Divine Liturgy, after October 7, when they were perpetrting genocide already, and they prayed for them during the Liturgy, which I considered to be a sacrilege.


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Re: Remission of venial sins removed in 1962 missal.
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2026, 02:46:50 PM »
I've never seen the second confiteor in a 1958 New Marian Missal. I wonder why?

Re: Remission of venial sins removed in 1962 missal.
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2026, 04:44:28 PM »
It is interesting to note that the Confiteor said at the beginning is technically not part of the Mass.  The Mass begins with the Introit and the two Confiteors are part of the preparatory Prayers at the Foot of the Altar before Mass begins.  The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostrm, used by Eastern Catholics, does not contain a Confiteor, penitential rite, or similar prayers of any kind.

I'm confused.  What is this "Confiteor said at the beginning"?

Or are you suggesting that the Introibo ad altare Dei... is not part of the Mass?  I've never heard that before.

If that is true, then at what point does the Mass itself actually begin?

Re: Remission of venial sins removed in 1962 missal.
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2026, 05:44:15 PM »
I'm confused.  What is this "Confiteor said at the beginning"?

Or are you suggesting that the Introibo ad altare Dei... is not part of the Mass?  I've never heard that before.

If that is true, then at what point does the Mass itself actually begin?
I was taught as a pre VII altar boy and parochial school choir member that the Mass begins with the Introit and the prayers now known as the "Prayers at the Foot of the Altar" are the preparatory prayers before Mass.  I took a look at Fortescue (The Mass, A Study of the Roman Liturgy, 1912), which seems to confirm this.  Father Fortescue indicates that there almost always preparatory prayers before Mass, of which there was a wide variety, and sometimes said in the sacristy or while in procession.  The current form and place (at the foot of the altar) were put into the Missal by Pope St. Pius V.  At a Sung Mass the Introit is typically chanted by the choir during the procession.  At a Low Mass the Introit is recited from the Missal by the priest after he and the altar server(s) complete the preparatory prayers.  I may have been "splitting hairs" and the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar are almost always a part of the Mass, but I was taught that they were the prayers said before the Mass, and the Mass begins with the Introit.