Author Topic: Rejection of Fatima is how Sedevacantism isnt Catholic? (Read 4303 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:05:49 PM »

Did BXV know about the demand? Did Pius XI? When was it made known to the Pontiff? It would seem Pius XII knew about it, but did not follow Our Lady's directions.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:09:23 PM »

Rejecting Fatima does not make one a non-Catholic.

Certainly many sedes take Fatima incredibly seriously, and many non-sede Traditionalists do not take it seriously at all.

Is there sometimes a tendency towards impiety in sedes? Perhaps because their confidence in institutions has been so shaken?

Exilenomore · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2011, 09:53:20 AM »

I personally think Pope Pius XII was the suffering Holy Father, of whom Our Lady spoke. He might have been afraid to consecrate Russia because of what the reaction of his enemies would be if he did. I believe he even uttered his worries over the messages of Fatima, complaining that he saw all around him, enemies who wanted to tear down the sacred chapel, change the theology and liturgy of the Church, so much that he dared to say that there would come a time when 'people would seek the red lamp in vain' (of the tabernacle).

Methinks he was the 'suffering Pontiff'.

I do believe the Church will have a valid Pope again, who will make the consecration and restore the traditions and rights of the Church.

Jehanne · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2011, 09:57:27 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Rejecting Fatima does not make one a non-Catholic.

Certainly many sedes take Fatima incredibly seriously, and many non-sede Traditionalists do not take it seriously at all.

Is there sometimes a tendency towards impiety in sedes? Perhaps because their confidence in institutions has been so shaken?

Even Richard Dawkins, in his The God Delusion, admits that he has "no natural explanation" for the events that occurred just northeast of Fatima, Portugal on October 13, 1917. What is there not to accept about it? It's kind of like saying that one believes in the existence of the Sun but not the Moon.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2011, 11:14:32 AM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Even Richard Dawkins, in his The God Delusion, admits that he has "no natural explanation" for the events that occurred just northeast of Fatima, Portugal on October 13, 1917. What is there not to accept about it? It's kind of like saying that one believes in the existence of the Sun but not the Moon.

I'm not saying I reject Fatima or that a person should reject Fatima, I'm just stating that it isn't non-Catholic to do so.