Author Topic: Regarding the Restored Order of Holy Week (Read 19308 times)

s2srea · « **Reply #35 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:38:27 AM »

Quote from: Cupertino

Quote from: Hobbledehoy
I have not worked up anything or exaggerated things: do you think I am making this up? It is very serious indeed. People are seeing the inconsistencies and they are leaving back to the NO or are defecting from the faith altogether, as they are beginning to be scandalized at the fact that the sedevacantists have made of Holy Mother Church the very thing of which the Prophet Jeremias complained in his Lamentations, which will be soon read at First Nocturn at Matins.

Do you have some statistics on that? Do you actually know a bunch of names of people who have expressed that they gave up the Faith or gone back to the Novus Ordo because they didn't like how some sedevacantist priests decided for themselves that some new liturgical changes of late 1950's( that were seldom used and rather obscure)....was too much for them to handle??

I know of at least 3.- and I'm not even a sedevecantist.

SJB · « **Reply #36 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:46:33 AM »

Quote from: Cupertino

Quote from: Hobbledehoy
I have not worked up anything or exaggerated things: do you think I am making this up? It is very serious indeed. People are seeing the inconsistencies and they are leaving back to the NO or are defecting from the faith altogether, as they are beginning to be scandalized at the fact that the sedevacantists have made of Holy Mother Church the very thing of which the Prophet Jeremias complained in his Lamentations, which will be soon read at First Nocturn at Matins.

Do you have some statistics on that? Do you actually know a bunch of names of people who have expressed that they gave up the Faith or gone back to the Novus Ordo because they didn't like how some sedevacantist priests decided for themselves that some new liturgical changes of late 1950's( that were seldom used and rather obscure)....was too much for them to handle??

There have been many people scandalized by some of the writings and mostly the behavior of "some sedevacantists priests."

Canute · « **Reply #37 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:52:29 AM »

Quote from: Cupertino

Quote from: Canute
rites that are not tainted with modernist influence.

What do you mean by this, Canute? Do you mean that the rite itself, the very words and/or actions, intrinsically manifest modernistic thought? Or, do you mean by "influence" the subjective and external intention of modernists who desired the rite, but that the rite itself still does not intrinsically influence observers towards modernism? The concepts of intrinsic and extrinsic can really come into play with this.

The second, which I think is the point made by priests who over the years have advocated returning to the old Holy Week. The '55 reforms were not evil in themselves, but functioned as a "trial balloon" for several practices that would be introduced globally throughout the liturgy with the Novus Ordo.

Many priests over the years have criticized the same Novus Ordo-type practices in the '55 Holy Week.

Canute · « **Reply #38 on:** April 04, 2012, 11:00:49 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Cupertino
Quote from: Hobbledehoy
I have not worked up anything or exaggerated things: do you think I am making this up? It is very serious indeed. People are seeing the inconsistencies and they are leaving back to the NO or are defecting from the faith altogether, as they are beginning to be scandalized at the fact that the sedevacantists have made of Holy Mother Church the very thing of which the Prophet Jeremias complained in his Lamentations, which will be soon read at First Nocturn at Matins.

Do you have some statistics on that? Do you actually know a bunch of names of people who have expressed that they gave up the Faith or gone back to the Novus Ordo because they didn't like how some sedevacantist priests decided for themselves that some new liturgical changes of late 1950's( that were seldom used and rather obscure)....was too much for them to handle??

There have been many people scandalized by some of the writings and mostly the behavior of "some sedevacantists priests."

Uh-oh, Cupertino — looks like Father Cekada and the St. Clare building fund will soon make their appearance in this discussion.

Not that SJB is obsessed or anything. :furtive:

SJB · « **Reply #39 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:36:09 PM »

Quote from: Canute

The '55 reforms were not evil in themselves, but functioned as a "trial balloon" for several practices that would be introduced globally throughout the liturgy with the Novus Ordo.

Quote from: Rawhide/Bazz/Nonno/Cupertino

Unfortunately, anytime you have a true pope approve of a liturgical practice, even tacitly, it is considered to be approved by "the Catholic Church". That is the holiness of the Catholic Church. Either the Novus Ordo liturgy is from the Church and perfectly good, or else the man approving of it is not a true pope.

The holiness of a "trial balloon?"

At least we know "Ceknute" and "Rawhide/Bazz/Nonno/Cupertino" aren't the same person.