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Author Topic: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?  (Read 23702 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #215 on: January 23, 2024, 09:06:59 AM »
It was never officially promulgated by John XXIII in a legal docuмent and published in an approved Missal in the year 1962.

Who cares?  Roncalli was an Antipope anyway, so of course it wasn't legal.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #216 on: January 23, 2024, 09:07:56 AM »
Does the SSPX say St Joseph and does that make the mass invalid?

It most certainly would not be invalid, and I do believe most of the SSPX add St. Joseph to the Canon.


Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #217 on: January 23, 2024, 09:19:31 AM »
Does the SSPX say St Joseph and does that make the mass invalid?
Dear AnthonyPadua,

From what Angelus and PaxVobis are saying, the SSPX, thanks to the Abp. Lefebvre's diplomatic prowess, are using the 1960 Missale Romanum, which is the first version of 1962 Missale Romanum, without the additions authorized in November 1962. Any change to the Canon would be illegal, and the anathema of Trent would make it cursed. In addition, the wrath of Holy Apostles Peter and Paul (per Quo Primum) would be upon those who changed it and use it. It would not affect its validity since the Sacrament (its form and matter) were not altered and SSPX priests are valid ministers. ( N.B.  Some of the novus-ordo-ordained priests who work with them have not been conditionally ordained.)
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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #218 on: January 23, 2024, 10:05:37 AM »
My argument in favor for St. Joseph in the Canon is more an argument of custom/pious tradition, rather than of strict law under Pope John XXIII. I am leaving the pope question aside for now.  My argument is that the majority of pontiffs chose not to introduce St. Joseph in the Canon because it was believed that he died under the Old Law, which is only partially true.  I have read "The Life of St. Joseph" by Mother Mary Cecilia Baij, OSB (d. 1736 *By far my favorite book on St. Joseph), "The Glories of St. Joseph" by Healy, and quite frankly, anything of merit that I can get my hands on about St. Joseph.  It is clear that the tradition developed that St. Joseph was resurrected by Our Lord after Easter Sunday,  that he was reunited with Our Lady during that short interval of time, that he most assuredly received the Sacraments of the Church, and that he ascended with Our Lord into heaven.  All this said, it is only most fitting that St. Joseph be in the Canon of the Mass.  Who can argue that St. Joseph is not above all the martyrs by virtue of his eminent sanctity?  Offer to me a single argument as to why he should not be in the Canon.  St. Joseph is completely silent in Holy Writ, but he speaks in the Canon of the Mass.  St Joseph and Our Lady were together in life, together in Heaven, and together in the Canon, this only seems to me fitting.  

And furthermore, many of us believe that the Age of Mary, yet to come, will be preempted by the Age of Joseph, so to speak.  Perhaps the  introduction of St. Joseph in the canon is a prefiguring of the Age of Mary.  I would personally like to see the Church define dogmatically the perpetual virginity of St. Joseph which is very clearly part of Church tradition, at least as far as I understand the matter.   

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #219 on: January 23, 2024, 10:33:31 AM »
Dear AnthonyPadua,

From what Angelus and PaxVobis are saying, the SSPX, thanks to the Abp. Lefebvre's diplomatic prowess, are using the 1960 Missale Romanum, which is the first version of 1962 Missale Romanum, without the additions authorized in November 1962.

No, Texana, you misunderstood what I said. I said nothing about the practices of the SSPX. As anyone can see from looking at the SSPX-published Angelus Missal, the SSPX priests DO INCLUDE the St. Joseph addition in the Canon of the Mass.