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Author Topic: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?  (Read 23708 times)

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #200 on: January 21, 2024, 05:41:43 AM »
Well, I agree, but +ABL preached repeatedly that he believed he was praying for the pope una cuм, this is what he believed in.

Fr. Cekada preached ad nauseam that he did not believe the pope was the pope and believed it wrong (a sin?) to pray for a heretic pope una cuм, this is what he believed in.

What the OP video is telling us, is that +ABL did not believe what he repeatedly preached, the other shoe says the same about Fr. Cekada.
Not going round and round on this because when push comes to shove...i don't care.  

However, it does not necessarily tell us they did not believe what they preached but that there was a change in the belief at the end of their lives.  Probable? No.  Possible? Yes.

And as for repeating a lie they think is the truth, since Fr Epiney got it directly from ABL, that can not be. 

Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #201 on: January 21, 2024, 09:29:54 AM »
Yes, I know. I was agreeing with you and providing evidence. Here is the only official docuмent signed by John XXIII regarding the 1962 update of the Missal:

https://www.vatican.va/content/john-xxiii/es/motu_proprio/docuмents/hf_j-xxiii_motu-proprio_19600725_rubricarum-instructum.html

It was referred to as an update to the "rubrics" only. Definitely not mentioning any change to "the Roman Canon."
Dear Angelus and Pax Vobis,

"It pertains exclusively to the Holy See to control sacred liturgy and to approve liturgical books (c.1257)" L. Bouscaren S.J, A.C Ellis S.J "Canon Law, A Text and Commentary", 1958.

"58. It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify these he judges to require modification." Pope Pius XII "Mediator Dei".

Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli, born 25 Nov 1881, died 3 June 1963.
The date of the Decretum authorizing insertion of the name of St. Joseph into the Canon is 13 Nov 1962.
There is no way the Pope was not aware of it. He did not reverse it, he therefore authorized it. If you can prove that he was nonresponsive from 13 Nov 1962, until 3 June 1963, the guilt will be transferred onto his Successor.
For now, objectively, Pope John XXIII is under anathema of Trent. Let him be anathema. "Anathema sit" is iussive subjunctive, and it is directed to any soul alive, not only to clergy or popes. The curse is the source of our confusion. Until its source is removed, we will just keep arguing with each other. The good part is that we learn our religion, which will help us learn our Faith.

If the 1962 liturgy was never promulgated by the Pope, it is certainly illicit and should not be used. Either way, why is SSPX and the Resistance (in agreement with Fr. Ratzinger) adamant about using the affected book? Is the law of self defense a good reason? Why did Abp. Lefebvre make such a terrible concession?


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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #202 on: January 21, 2024, 12:00:04 PM »
There is nothing wrong with the ORIGINAL edition of the 1962 missal.  Quit making a mountain out of a molehill. 

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« Reply #203 on: January 21, 2024, 01:32:47 PM »
There is nothing wrong with the ORIGINAL edition of the 1962 missal.  Quit making a mountain out of a molehill.
Dear Pax Vobis,
Please tell me where to find a copy of the original edition of the 1962 missal.  Is it different from the one used by the SSPX priests today?  Thank you for your help in this matter.

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #204 on: January 21, 2024, 02:00:09 PM »
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Dear Pax Vobis,
Please tell me where to find a copy of the original edition of the 1962 missal.
Lots of places still sell them; brand new.  Try the FSSP website.  The original editions don't have St Joseph.  The later editions come with a "sticker" to place on the canon page, which includes St Joseph.

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Is it different from the one used by the SSPX priests today?
Do you even know the difference between the 62 missal and the 55 missal?  It sounds like you don't.  Outside of Holy Week and the updates to the calendar, the 55 is exactly the same as the 62.  Holy Week changes were introduced by Pius XII, so unless you're saying he wasn't a pope, the new Holy Week is ok too.

Are the 62 missal and Holy Week changes perfectly pleasing to God?  Probably not.  Are they heretical and sinful?  No.