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"Bishop Pierre Roy:  Bishop Lefebvre was non Una cuм in his last years:  Una cuм Francis is deception"

New video from St. AnthonyPaduaRadTrad on YouTube.  See Time: .01-.56


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  • More senseless division.  :facepalm:


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  • More senseless division.  :facepalm:
    Dear Pax Vobis,
    Bishop Pierre Roy was ordained by Bishop Williamson and consecrated by Bishop Rodrigo da Silva.  He is a true Roman Catholic Bishop.

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  • Dear Pax Vobis,
    Bishop Pierre Roy was ordained by Bishop Williamson and consecrated by Bishop Rodrigo da Silva.  He is a true Roman Catholic Bishop.
    Nevertheless he is still making senseless divisions.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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  • "Bishop Pierre Roy:  Bishop Lefebvre was non Una cuм in his last years:  Una cuм Francis is deception"

    New video from St. AnthonyPaduaRadTrad on YouTube.
    Just stop for a moment and think about this, Texana.
    Here we are, over 30 years since the Archbishop died, and we are learning from one of the 'defectors' from the Archbishop's Society/Resistance, one who never knew the Archbishop; we are learning from him what no one until now ever knew???
    The entire Society of the Archbishop, the bishops in whom he confided, the superior general, all the priests and the faithful - we have all been deceived???
    Now I ask you, how likely is that?
    I don't say that Rev Roy or Fr Epiney are deliberately distorting the truth, but certainly somewhere along the line there is a misunderstanding to say the very least.
    Here we see, once again, a great testimony to the great churchman that was Archbishop Lefebvre: he attracts all, even those who hold different opinions from his - they want to see their beliefs justified by him, such a universally recognised good shepherd and saviour of the Church that he was.
    Here is a link to a conference that Archbishop Lefebvre gave to the sisters at St Michel en Brenne nearly a year after the consecrations which gives clear evidence that there is something about this story which just does not fit: https://dominicansavrille.us/archbishop-lefebvre-sedevacantists/
    In fact, I commend you on the title of this thread, Texana; the irony of the title is the clearest indication of how ridiculous it is.


























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  • Nevertheless he is still making senseless divisions.
    Yes indeed.

    Don't think so? Ask +Sanborn.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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  • How exactly does this represent "senseless division"?  If anything, it's one more step toward everyone coming to a consensus that Jorge is not the pope.  We have Bishop Williamson and Father Chazal very much warming up to the notion now.

    And this is not surprising at all.  At the consecrations, reliable witnesses report that Bishop de Castro Mayer was going around telling people "We have no pope."

    Two years earlier, +Lefebvre had said this:
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    “It is possible we may be obliged to believe this pope is not pope. For twenty years Mgr de Castro Mayer and I preferred to wait…I think we are waiting for the famous meeting in Assisi, if God allows it.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, published in The Angelus, July 1986)

    “I don’t know if the time has come to say that the pope is a heretic (…) Perhaps after this famous meeting of Assisi, perhaps we must say that the pope is a heretic, is apostate. Now I don’t wish yet to say it formally and solemnly, but it seems at first sight that it is impossible for a pope to be formally and publicly heretical. (…) So it is possible we may be obliged to believe this pope is not pope.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)



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  • Please explain how this causes more division ... apart from making the dogmatic sedeplenists uncomfortable.  But the latter will deny it anyway, as the Bishop himself suggested.


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  • Just stop for a moment and think about this, Texana.
    Here we are, over 30 years since the Archbishop died, and we are learning from one of the 'defectors' from the Archbishop's Society/Resistance, one who never knew the Archbishop; we are learning from him what no one until now ever knew???
    The entire Society of the Archbishop, the bishops in whom he confided, the superior general, all the priests and the faithful - we have all been deceived???
    Now I ask you, how likely is that?
    I don't say that Rev Roy or Fr Epiney are deliberately distorting the truth, but certainly somewhere along the line there is a misunderstanding to say the very least.
    Here we see, once again, a great testimony to the great churchman that was Archbishop Lefebvre: he attracts all, even those who hold different opinions from his - they want to see their beliefs justified by him, such a universally recognised good shepherd and saviour of the Church that he was.

    This.

    I don't think Fr. Roy, who was ordained in what, 2012? has "discovered" such a thing that wasn't already common knowledge.'

    Nice clickbait title, BTW.

    What's next? Talking about "one weird trick"? or "10 Things Trads don't know. Number 7 will blow your mind!"
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  • The una cuм debate is a made up line-in-the-sand position and causes senseless division.  There is no such thing as an una-cuм Trad.  Or a non-una-cuм Trad.  It’s a theological fairytale.  And it’s pathetic. 

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  • Dear CathInfo Friends,

    Please don't shoot the messenger!  I posted this video without any personal comments or opinions for your information only!  Are we to be penalized for submitting new, possibly important information now?

    Why would we not want more true, valid priests and bishops to bring the real Sacraments to us?

    What Bishop Roy stated about "non una cuм" does correspond with a certain pattern in Archbishop Lefebvre's manifest understanding of the Crisis.

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  • The una cuм debate is a made up line-in-the-sand position and causes senseless division.  There is no such thing as an una-cuм Trad.  Or a non-una-cuм Trad.  It’s a theological fairytale.  And it’s pathetic.

    "una cuм" isn't the point of this ... other than as an indication of how +Lefebvre may have warmed up to sedevacantism in his last days.  Not all "non-una-cuм" types are dogmatic "non-una-cuм".  I feel that this is a mistake that's being made regularly the past few days here.