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Offline Texana

Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #205 on: January 21, 2024, 03:44:02 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 21, 2024, 02:00:09 PM
Lots of places still sell them; brand new.  Try the FSSP website.  The original editions don't have St Joseph.  The later editions come with a "sticker" to place on the canon page, which includes St Joseph.
Do you even know the difference between the 62 missal and the 55 missal?  It sounds like you don't.  Outside of Holy Week and the updates to the calendar, the 55 is exactly the same as the 62.  Holy Week changes were introduced by Pius XII, so unless you're saying he wasn't a pope, the new Holy Week is ok too.

Are the 62 missal and Holy Week changes perfectly pleasing to God?  Probably not.  Are they heretical and sinful?  No.
Dear Pax Vobis,
Thank you so much!  I did not know that there were mulitple versions of the 1962 Missale Romanum.  What a relief!
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Online Angelus

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #206 on: January 21, 2024, 05:29:14 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 21, 2024, 02:00:09 PM
Lots of places still sell them; brand new.  Try the FSSP website.  The original editions don't have St Joseph.  The later editions come with a "sticker" to place on the canon page, which includes St Joseph.
Do you even know the difference between the 62 missal and the 55 missal?  It sounds like you don't.  Outside of Holy Week and the updates to the calendar, the 55 is exactly the same as the 62.  Holy Week changes were introduced by Pius XII, so unless you're saying he wasn't a pope, the new Holy Week is ok too.

Are the 62 missal and Holy Week changes perfectly pleasing to God?  Probably not.  Are they heretical and sinful?  No.

Pax, you are correct about the lawfully-promulgated Missale Romanum, the one published during the year 1962, uses the exact same Ordo and Canon as the 1955 (traditional Pius V) Missal. Only the changes to rubrics and calendar were lawfully-promulgated and published during the year 1962.

The change made to the Roman Canon (adding St. Joseph) was not part of the any officially-approved Missale Romanum that was published in 1962. That deceptive and unlawful change did not happen until after 1962.
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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #207 on: January 22, 2024, 02:12:18 PM »
Quote from: Angelus on January 21, 2024, 05:29:14 PM
Pax, you are correct about the lawfully-promulgated Missale Romanum, the one published during the year 1962, uses the exact same Ordo and Canon as the 1955 (traditional Pius V) Missal. Only the changes to rubrics and calendar were lawfully-promulgated and published during the year 1962.

The change made to the Roman Canon (adding St. Joseph) was not part of the any officially-approved Missale Romanum that was published in 1962. That deceptive and unlawful change did not happen until after 1962.
And besides, if you believe the opinion of St. Francis de Sales, that St. Joseph was assumed body and soul into heaven at the Ascension, then this probably means that he was baptized, received Holy Communion, and received Confirmation, making him the chief member of the Church, alongside Our Lady.  I have no problem with St. Joseph being in the Canon.  In fact, I endorse it.   
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Offline Texana

Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #208 on: January 22, 2024, 02:41:43 PM »
Dear OABrownson 1876,

No one questions the holiness of the foster father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The issue at hand is that the introduction of the foreign text to the Canon of the Mass is in direct violation of Canon XIII of the Seventh Session of Trent and "Quo Primum" of Pope St. Pius V. While it is noble to want to have such an illustrious Saint mentioned, even Pope St. Pius X declined the petitions to do so. Not only was St. Joseph his Patron Saint, but the Pontiff was actually working on the Missale Romanum during his pontificate.
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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #209 on: January 22, 2024, 03:14:51 PM »
My understanding on his non-inclusion was twofold: 1) the Canon goes back to remote antiquity unchanged - to the very early days of the Church and 2) because he isn't a martyr.  

Haven't looked at that one in a while though.
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