Author Topic: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre? (Read 23713 times)

Texana · « **Reply #20 on:** January 15, 2024, 11:12:06 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on January 15, 2024, 10:56:24 AM

Texana, as a fellow (?) sedevacantist I do think your title was unnecessary/inflammatory. If we wish others to avoid similar, inflammatory anti-sede titles, we should do the same.

Having said that, I did see this interview elsewhere, and I do find it interesting.

Dear 2Vermont,
Thank you --I appreciate constructive criticism! It would be helpful to the discussion if people would view the entire video before making their own conclusions, but time is a precious commodity. Truth is too.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #21 on:** January 15, 2024, 11:24:18 AM »

Anyone who is still making the argument, 30 years later, that "+ABL said this" or "+ABL wouldn't agree with that" is just living in the past. +ABL lived his life according to catholic principles. These principles still exist, won't change, and we can still apply them to our lives. We don't need +ABL's permission/condemnation to make decisions today. Some of the questions we are dealing with today are different than +ABL's time; most of the questions are the same.

The most basic questions of Traditionalism have all been answered - go to a valid priest, who says a valid mass, pray your rosary, do your daily duty and work to save your soul through charity to your neighbor, etc.

Everything else is just controversy, division and noise. Most modern Trad clerics are just obsessed with the "politics" of Traddom. R&R vs sspx vs Sedeism. It's no different than being obsessed about politics.

2Vermont · « **Reply #22 on:** January 15, 2024, 11:38:09 AM »

Quote from: Plenus Venter on January 14, 2024, 11:41:11 PM

Just stop for a moment and think about this, Texana.
Here we are, over 30 years since the Archbishop died, and we are learning from one of the 'defectors' from the Archbishop's Society/Resistance, one who never knew the Archbishop; we are learning from him what no one until now ever knew???
The entire Society of the Archbishop, the bishops in whom he confided, the superior general, all the priests and the faithful - we have all been deceived???
Now I ask you, how likely is that?
I don't say that Rev Roy or Fr Epiney are deliberately distorting the truth, but certainly somewhere along the line there is a misunderstanding to say the very least.

Perhaps it was a well-guarded "secret".

Ladislaus · « **Reply #23 on:** January 15, 2024, 12:02:18 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 15, 2024, 11:24:18 AM

Anyone who is still making the argument, 30 years later, that "+ABL said this" or "+ABL wouldn't agree with that" is just living in the past. +ABL lived his life according to catholic principles. These principles still exist, won't change, and we can still apply them to our lives. We don't need +ABL's permission/condemnation to make decisions today. Some of the questions we are dealing with today are different than +ABL's time; most of the questions are the same.

Agreed, as you know. But there are some who are hung up on using +Lefebvre as some kind of "rule of faith" ... even if one can find quotations from him that contradict one another, as he did change his mind over time. There's no monolithic +Lefebvre. Generally, however, I see individuals attempting to use +Lefebvre as a sock-puppet for their own opinion, cherry-picking whatever quotes they feel serve that purpose while ignoring the ones that don't.

trento · « **Reply #24 on:** January 15, 2024, 12:10:20 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 15, 2024, 08:24:17 AM

How exactly does this represent "senseless division"? If anything, it's one more step toward everyone coming to a consensus that Jorge is not the pope. We have Bishop Williamson and Father Chazal very much warming up to the notion now.

And this is not surprising at all. At the consecrations, reliable witnesses report that Bishop de Castro Mayer was going around telling people "We have no pope."

Two years earlier, +Lefebvre had said this:

From someone who was there at the consecrations, I was told +de Castro Mayer didn't say that. It was more like "Peter, where art thou?". For me that sounds more like a lamentation for the state of the Church than outright concluding sedeism.

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Texana

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Ladislaus

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trento

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