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Recognition of Martyrdom
« on: February 04, 2015, 12:41:41 AM »
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  • The Vatican has formally recognized the martyrdom of Archbishop Oscar Romero, clearing the way for his beatification.

    At a private audience on February 3, Pope Francis authorized a series of decrees by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, proclaiming the martyrdom of Archbishop Romero and of three other clerics.

    The other martyrs recognized were two Polish Franciscans, Michal Tomaszek and Zbigniew Strazalkowski, who were killed in 1960 and 1958, respectively; and an Italian, Father Alessandro Dordi, who was slain in Peru in 1991.

    The cause of Archbishop Romero, who was gunned down in March 1980 at the height of the cινιℓ ωαr in El Salvador, had provoked some debate because of initial uncertainty as to whether he was killed out of contempt for the Catholic faith or because of his advocacy of a political cause. Pope Benedict reportedly “unblocked” the cause for beatification of the Salvadoran prelate, and Pope Francis also indicated that he hoped the cause would advance quickly. The issue was settled in January, when panel of theologians appointed by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints concluded that Archbishop Romero had indeed been killed “in hatred of the faith.”

    The February 3 decrees from the Congregation for the Causes of Saints also included a finding that Father Giovanni Bacile (1880- 1941), an Italian priest, had lived a life of “heroic virtue.” He will now be eligible for beatification if a miracle is attributed to his influence.

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    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 03:23:50 PM »
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  • BS -- it has never even been definitely proven WHO killed Romero, much less why?  Romero could very well have been killed by someone seeking the affections of Jodi Foster.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 04, 2015, 03:47:11 PM »
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  • Archbishop Oscar Romero, was a dedicated Marxist and portrayed Jesus Christ as a
    revolutionist.  Read your New Testament, Our Lord never advocated the overthrow of
    the Roman Empire.  
    As Pope Pius XI once said, A Catholic could never be a Marxist.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 04, 2015, 04:12:27 PM »
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  • Before someone slams a Catholic archbishop who was killed offering Mass, they should provide sources supporting their claims.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #4 on: February 04, 2015, 05:37:35 PM »
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    Before someone slams a Catholic archbishop who was killed offering Mass, they should provide sources supporting their claims.


    I didn't slam anyone.  I just said that there's no proof whatsoever that Romero was killed on account of the Faith.  Even John Paul II blocked the canonization process because it was most likely that he was killed due to his political positions.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 11:28:35 PM »
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  • He was killed because he told the soldiers that it was a mortal sin to kill innocent people indiscriminantly.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 05, 2015, 04:53:02 AM »
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    He was killed because he told the soldiers that it was a mortal sin to kill innocent people indiscriminantly.


    Proof?  As I pointed out, the exact reason he was killed is nothing but speculation.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 06, 2015, 11:19:35 PM »
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    BS -- it has never even been definitely proven WHO killed Romero, much less why?  Romero could very well have been killed by someone seeking the affections of Jodi Foster.

    The witnesses described them as wearing military uniforms riding in a military vehicle.  


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    « Reply #8 on: February 06, 2015, 11:23:14 PM »
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    Archbishop Oscar Romero, was a dedicated Marxist and portrayed Jesus Christ as a
    revolutionist.  Read your New Testament, Our Lord never advocated the overthrow of
    the Roman Empire.  
    As Pope Pius XI once said, A Catholic could never be a Marxist.

    Oscar Romero never advocated the overthrow of the regime. What h advocated was fair treatment for the poor people. He spoke against the terrorism of the subversives (aka marxist 'freedom' fighters) He told the soldiers that it was a mortal sin to kill the innocent.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 06, 2015, 11:27:23 PM »
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    Before someone slams a Catholic archbishop who was killed offering Mass, they should provide sources supporting their claims.


    I didn't slam anyone.  I just said that there's no proof whatsoever that Romero was killed on account of the Faith.  Even John Paul II blocked the canonization process because it was most likely that he was killed due to his political positions.

    People who barge into chapels and churches and during mass and start shooting at the priest celebrant are not people who respect the Faith. The archbishop was shot and killed during the elevation of the host during mass. You would be hard pressed to give an example of contempt of teh faith than that.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 07, 2015, 05:07:21 AM »
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    Before someone slams a Catholic archbishop who was killed offering Mass, they should provide sources supporting their claims.


    I didn't slam anyone.  I just said that there's no proof whatsoever that Romero was killed on account of the Faith.  Even John Paul II blocked the canonization process because it was most likely that he was killed due to his political positions.



    Thanks Ladislaus.  I wasn't referring to you in particular.

    But what you say is interesting.  This is why I have problems with believing all common Trad rumors about every Novus Ordo priest or pope.  John Paul 2, who is alleged by some traditionalists as being a Marxist and canonized Marxist friendly José Maria Escrivás, blocked Marxist Archbishop's canonization who was murdered offering Mass.

    Again, I'm not saying you are saying these things or directing my comment at you, but we have all heard these rumors.  The Opus Dei "canonization" is what complicates things.  It just doesn't add up.  Not saying I believe Archbishop Romero was a saint of course, but I don't deny that he may well have died a Martyr.  It is more likely that he died because he was Catholic than because he wanted to help the poor in El Salvador.  I have visited his tomb in the Catedral De El Salvador.  It is notable that the cathedral is surrounded by "Christian" congregation buildings "friends of Israel" and other zionist, extremely heretical groups on all streets.  El Salvador is a dangerous place, but not so much for those who want to help the poor.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...