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Author Topic: Reason No. 3452 to not trust the Thuc line  (Read 450 times)

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Re: Reason No. 3452 to not trust the Thuc line
« Reply #20 on: Today at 10:53:17 AM »
This is ridiculous. It's like blaming Cardinal Scipione Rebiba for Paul VI's errors.

A bishop who ordains or consecrates a cleric is not responsible for the sins of said cleric. I have never seen anyone saying that Abp. Lefebvre is to blame if a few SSPX priests become child abusers.
I'm not blaming +Thuc for child abuse, I mentioned that part because it's an additional reason not to trust Tetherow.

God does not bless those with His graces who seek Holy Orders from a corrupt person. +Thuc consecrated Bishops for money, according to the testimony of des Lauriers. In other words, he committed simony: https://web.archive.org/web/20080305062917/http://catholic.shrineofsaintjude.net/homec081.html

His orders are not only doubtful, but not Catholic. 

Bishops are certainly responsible for ensuring the candidates to be ordained or consecrated are worthy. If worthy candidates are sinful later on, of course that is not the fault of the Bishop. 

+Thuc and his successors repeatedly choose the obviously unworthy though, that is an entirely different matter.

Re: Reason No. 3452 to not trust the Thuc line
« Reply #21 on: Today at 12:13:28 PM »
This is ridiculous. It's like blaming Cardinal Scipione Rebiba for Paul VI's errors.

A bishop who ordains or consecrates a cleric is not responsible for the sins of said cleric.

You are not totally wrong.

But chastisements and fruits dont work in this absolute and numerical way. They are broad and general and moral therefore in their character.


Re: Reason No. 3452 to not trust the Thuc line
« Reply #22 on: Today at 12:20:28 PM »
I'm not blaming +Thuc for child abuse, I mentioned that part because it's an additional reason not to trust Tetherow.

God does not bless those with His graces who seek Holy Orders from a corrupt person. +Thuc consecrated Bishops for money, according to the testimony of des Lauriers. In other words, he committed simony: https://web.archive.org/web/20080305062917/http://catholic.shrineofsaintjude.net/homec081.html

His orders are not only doubtful, but not Catholic.

Bishops are certainly responsible for ensuring the candidates to be ordained or consecrated are worthy. If worthy candidates are sinful later on, of course that is not the fault of the Bishop.

+Thuc and his successors repeatedly choose the obviously unworthy though, that is an entirely different matter.

The money has nothing to do with consecrations:

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1) The resignation of Mgr. Thuc:

This fact was (and unfortunately still is) a matter of great importance for the ecclesiastical ordinance of the traditional remnant. Now, on Wednesday, March 16, 1982, I responded with alacrity to the warm invitation of Mgr. THUC and went to Munich. I spent a long time with him. What follows is the substance of what he said to me (Thursday, March 17, 1982), and I swear to its accuracy before God.

"I was then (1970) in Rome facing the impossibility of returning to Hue which I wanted to do. Paul VI called me. Expressing great friendship, he offered me a very large sum of money (Mgr. Thuc never told me the amount of the sum, and I never asked him). I was in great need of funds for the many [Vietnamese] refugees which I was obliged to help. I ended up by accepting his offer. As a result I was very happy and grateful to Paul VI. Fifteen days later Paul VI sent a Monsignor to my place of residence. This individual carried a prepared docuмent with him: it was my resignation from the archdiocese of Hue. This Monsignor then placed this docuмent on the table and said to me: (I quote the words which Mgr. Thuc used, words which made a great impression on me.) "I come as a representative of the Pope. You must sign the resignation at once." Mgr. Thuc avowed this with great sadness. It was pitiful. I was greatly moved by his simplicity and his humility.



Re: Reason No. 3452 to not trust the Thuc line
« Reply #23 on: Today at 12:26:40 PM »
I know its difficult when you have developed a certain admiration for someone like Archbishop Thuc, but your attachment should be to God alone and the Truth. 

Re: Reason No. 3452 to not trust the Thuc line
« Reply #24 on: Today at 12:56:07 PM »
I know its difficult when you have developed a certain admiration for someone like Archbishop Thuc, but your attachment should be to God alone and the Truth.
Can't you spend 30 minutes reading his biography before slandering him? 

You were given more than ample evidence of your complete ignorance of the circuмstances of the events you talk of. 

Your actions and words demonstrate a foolishness that cannot be excused through ignorance.