Author Topic: Ready to Laugh ) Brother Michael Dimond - Communion with Heretics (Read 2727 times)

romantheology · « **on:** November 03, 2011, 08:35:44 PM »

Brother Michael Dimond

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/churches.php

"While there isn’t an obligation to go to any heretic to receive Communion, here is my personal opinion on how a person could go to a church to receive the sacraments where they believe and pray for Benedict XVI as pope. As stated earlier, at this point in the present apostasy, you are really not going for the Mass, but only to receive the sacraments.

If you decide to go to him to receive Communion and confession, I would not recommend going to the priest’s Mass on time. A person could arrive late, maybe about 10 minutes before Communion is given. It might even be better to go on Monday through Saturday, instead of on Sunday. There is no Sunday obligation to go to a heretic. Also, as we have stated many times before, no one may give donations to these heretical priests. If a person does support them, he or she commits a grave sin and is directly supporting a heretical priest and/or a heretical organization. A person should not pray with the other people at the Mass or liturgy. A person should say the rosary or other prayers privately by themselves and not join in with the prayers or singing of the others present.

When you go to these churches, many have clear glass windows when you enter in the back. A person could pray the rosary out there until they see Holy Communion is about to be distributed. If a person does go into the main part of the church, he or she should sit in the very back."

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2011, 03:18:02 AM »

So, you agree or disagree??

I understand Dimond, but I'm unclear what your take is.

Darcy · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2011, 01:59:48 PM »

He must be talking about a larger denomination like the Eastern Rite because the smaller Traditional churches will not give Holy Communion to anyone that they do not know.

Now as I was instructed on here and as Ibryani says, you can also make a spiritual communion and a spiritual confession.

I would say that another option would be to advertise for a valid priest on Craig's list, then give him an honorarium (pay him) to Consecrate the Hosts for you. He doesn't have to say Mass to do it. Then keep The Lord in a Sacristy at your home and administer the Lord's Body to yourself.

Why would that be wrong?

I think that this is an option that we need to work on, before the valid priests are gone. Especially for those who have question about the validity of the Traditional priests.
Build the Church from the ground floor, instead of waiting for a Traditional or valid priest to show up. Let's be proactive.

LordPhan · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2011, 02:32:32 PM »

Quote from: Darcy

I would say that another option would be to advertise for a valid priest on Craig's list, then give him an honorarium (pay him) to Consecrate the Hosts for you. He doesn't have to say Mass to do it. Then keep The Lord in a Sacristy at your home and administer the Lord's Body to yourself.

Why would that be wrong?

I think that this is an option that we need to work on, before the valid priests are gone. Especially for those who have question about the validity of the Traditional priests.
Build the Church from the ground floor, instead of waiting for a Traditional or valid priest to show up. Let's be proactive.

This is sacriledge! Touching the body of Christ with an unconcecrated hand is Sacriledge, paying for a sacrament incurs ipso facto excomm I believe to both parties(I could be wrong on the punishment but there is one) and any Priest who would allow the body of Christ to be kept in a laymen's home open to abuse is guilty of sacrilidge again!

Emerentiana · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2011, 02:39:14 PM »

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I would say that another option would be to advertise for a valid priest on Craig's list, then give him an honorarium (pay him) to Consecrate the Hosts for you. He doesn't have to say Mass to do it. Then keep The Lord in a Sacristy at your home and administer the Lord's Body to yourself.

:shocked:Huh? Wow! You could NEVER do this! Priests are custodians of the Blessed Sacrament. If you know a priest very well, he might allow you to reserve the Blessed Sacrament in your home in a tabernacle and in a chapel you provide, if there are no masses in your area.
The priest has to come back to your chapel every 3 months to " renew the species" It would be at that time that you would receive communion from HIM.
NO unconsecrated hands can touch the host!

Emerentiana · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2011, 02:48:09 PM »

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This is sacriledge! Touching the body of Christ with an unconcecrated hand is Sacriledge, paying for a sacrament incurs ipso facto excomm I believe to both parties(I could be wrong on the punishment but there is one) and any Priest who would allow the body of Christ to be kept in a laymen's home open to abuse is guilty of sacrilidge again!

Keeping the Blessed sacrament in the home is NOT a sacriledge. In the late sixties when the Canon of the mass was changed, the traditional Catholics had no churches. Masses were said in homes, and the Blessed Sacrament was reserved in many home chapels of trusted devout Catholics. There are many home chapels still today, where masses are said for the small groups.

This practice has been going on since the beggining of the church. The Catholics in England during the reign of Elizabeth 1 had home chapels.
A good book for you to read is "The Hunted Priest" which tells about these times.

Here is a link on Amazon.com for this book.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=&x=10&y=17#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Hunted+Priest&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AThe+Hunted+Priest&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

LordPhan · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2011, 03:08:52 PM »

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This is sacriledge! Touching the body of Christ with an unconcecrated hand is Sacriledge, paying for a sacrament incurs ipso facto excomm I believe to both parties(I could be wrong on the punishment but there is one) and any Priest who would allow the body of Christ to be kept in a laymen's home open to abuse is guilty of sacrilidge again!

Keeping the Blessed sacrament in the home is NOT a sacriledge. In the late sixties when the Canon of the mass was changed, the traditional Catholics had no churches. Masses were said in homes, and the Blessed Sacrament was reserved in many home chapels of trusted devout Catholics. There are many home chapels still today, where masses are said for the small groups.

This practice has been going on since the beggining of the church. The Catholics in England during the reign of Elizabeth 1 had home chapels.
A good book for you to read is "The Hunted Priest" which tells about these times.

Here is a link on Amazon.com for this book.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=&x=10&y=17#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Hunted+Priest&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AThe+Hunted+Priest&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

This I did not know, I assumed the Priests brought it with them or consecrated and distributed it at the time. Thanks for the link I'll look it up sometime.

Darcy · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2011, 04:18:25 PM »

We are in perilous times. We must use what God has given us. Just like we are using this internet right now. What do you think the Church would have said about the internet back in the day?

I agree that such things were done in early Christian times and perhaps even as recent as the middle ages and the French Revolution and the early Catholic pioneers in the U.S.
It would seem sacrilege of course to anyone just remembering how the Church used to be in Europe and America, when there was a Catholic Church around every corner! and schools with every parish.

For the True Catholic Church, it is now a ghost town.

Darcy · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2011, 04:19:55 PM »

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I would say that another option would be to advertise for a valid priest on Craig's list, then give him an honorarium (pay him) to Consecrate the Hosts for you. He doesn't have to say Mass to do it. Then keep The Lord in a Sacristy at your home and administer the Lord's Body to yourself.

:shocked:Huh? Wow! You could NEVER do this! Priests are custodians of the Blessed Sacrament. If you know a priest very well, he might allow you to reserve the Blessed Sacrament in your home in a tabernacle and in a chapel you provide, if there are no masses in your area.
The priest has to come back to your chapel every 3 months to " renew the species" It would be at that time that you would receive communion from HIM.
NO unconsecrated hands can touch the host!

No disrespect but in case one hasn't noticed.........we are running out of priests!

I would call that an emergency!

s2srea · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2011, 04:52:07 PM »

Quote from: Darcy

No disrespect but in case one hasn't noticed.........we are running out of priests!

I would call that an emergency!

I would say that CMRI and SSPX are doing (at least) 'okay' in their developments of those receiving Holy Orders. Its not like there've been no Traditional priests ordained since Vat.II, and the older priests are the only priests left in the world. In fact, there's been a surge in traditional priests over the years.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2011, 07:33:25 PM »

Phan,
This is a llink to a book you can buy to read about the Catholics in England at the time of Eliz 1.
I have to clarify that they may not have had chapels with the Blessed sacrament, altho I know they had hidden altars, wich swung out from the wall at mass time. Catholics in Russia did and still do.
In times of persecution, the Blessed sacrament is not always reserved . Priest like Bl Edmund Campion, a Jesuit, who risked his life entering England to minister to the Catholics there. He snuck around to say mass. He was finally caught and martyered.

Quote from: LordPhan

Quote from: Emerentiana
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This is sacriledge! Touching the body of Christ with an unconcecrated hand is Sacriledge, paying for a sacrament incurs ipso facto excomm I believe to both parties(I could be wrong on the punishment but there is one) and any Priest who would allow the body of Christ to be kept in a laymen's home open to abuse is guilty of sacrilidge again!

Keeping the Blessed sacrament in the home is NOT a sacriledge. In the late sixties when the Canon of the mass was changed, the traditional Catholics had no churches. Masses were said in homes, and the Blessed Sacrament was reserved in many home chapels of trusted devout Catholics. There are many home chapels still today, where masses are said for the small groups.

This practice has been going on since the beggining of the church. The Catholics in England during the reign of Elizabeth 1 had home chapels.
A good book for you to read is "The Hunted Priest" which tells about these times.

Here is a link on Amazon.com for this book.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=&x=10&y=17#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Hunted+Priest&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AThe+Hunted+Priest&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

This I did not know, I assumed the Priests brought it with them or consecrated and distributed it at the time. Thanks for the link I'll look it up sometime.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2011, 07:38:06 PM »

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Quote from: Emerentiana
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I would say that another option would be to advertise for a valid priest on Craig's list, then give him an honorarium (pay him) to Consecrate the Hosts for you. He doesn't have to say Mass to do it. Then keep The Lord in a Sacristy at your home and administer the Lord's Body to yourself.

:shocked:Huh? Wow! You could NEVER do this! Priests are custodians of the Blessed Sacrament. If you know a priest very well, he might allow you to reserve the Blessed Sacrament in your home in a tabernacle and in a chapel you provide, if there are no masses in your area.
The priest has to come back to your chapel every 3 months to " renew the species" It would be at that time that you would receive communion from HIM.
NO unconsecrated hands can touch the host!

No disrespect but in case one hasn't noticed.........we are running out of priests!

I would call that an emergency!

Yes we are, Darcy, but it doesnt change church rules. A cleric must be at least a deacon before he can distribute communion.
We have to pray for priests, that they perservere, and for an increase in priestly vocations.
The Catholics in Ireland had no priests for 100 years! They perservered by saying the rosary.

romantheology · « **Reply #12 on:** November 04, 2011, 07:53:31 PM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

I understand Dimond, but I'm unclear what your take is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Holy_Family_Monastery

Little rat Dimond (Bobby and Frederick) should know better - they condemn CMRI, SSPX, SSPV...etc....yet it is ok to communicate at their churches?

Let them say to their faces before Mass - your a Heretic for denying "baptism of water only" for salvation - and then ask to be receive to Eucharist Communion.

Go figure!

Darcy · « **Reply #13 on:** November 04, 2011, 08:19:29 PM »

It seems that most agree that the Eastern Rite priests are validly ordained.
It is not so unanimous regarding priests of the traditional groups.