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RCI & SGG
« on: May 29, 2023, 07:19:07 PM »
I had learned that St. Gertrude the Great and Roman Catholic Institute had some kind of fall out after a letter of Bishop Dolan criticized the material-formal thesis awhile back. Would anyone be able to explain what happened exactly and what the current situation is now between them? Or if there are threads from that time and later on I can read? Thank you.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: RCI & SGG
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2023, 09:39:29 PM »
News Flash:  SGG had a fight with another chapel over something insignificant.  

In other news, SGG has run out of chapels with which to fight.  


Re: RCI & SGG
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2023, 10:52:38 PM »
The TLDR that I got was that Bp Dolan wrote something in a bulletin 1 week, that Bp Sanborn thought was against the thesis.  I read what was written and at a glance one could easily think Bp Dolan was criticizing the sspx, because he didn't specify any particular group, at least that I saw.  There were some back and forth essays/videos produced defending the thesis and critiquing it from both sides.  And that was it from what I saw.  

The thesis is a tough pill to swallow but so is the question about jurisdiction.  In principle I don't like the thesis because it was originally developed in the 70s, when there were obviously Bishops with valid consecration and orders around.  60 years later are there any actual bishops around in the novus ordo?

Re: RCI & SGG
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2023, 08:56:13 AM »
From what I understand, it started as explained above, with back and forth about the Thesis. Then it escalated over the Jab. Bp Dolan was very vocally against the clot shot, and Bp Sanborn basically said that as clergy, they should stay out of it since they aren't medical experts. And rather than call each other on the phone to work things out, they both decided to trade shots on Twitter, in their respective bulletins, on their websites, and with YT videos. All extremely public, unnecessary, and unfortunate. I think someone mentioned in another thread that Bp Dolan and Bp Sanborn were never all that close, but Fr Cekada was the mediator keeping good relations between them, and all of this public fighting really spilled over after Fr C's death. 

I agree that with each passing year/decade the Thesis becomes more difficult to defend. Pure speculation and personal opinion here, but I think Bp Sanborn's zealous clinging to the Thesis is primarily due to the fact that he comes from the Des Lauriers line. So, when people criticize the Thesis, he feels he more compelled to defend it. Again, just my opinion.

It is so sad to see these needless public squabbles. We already have much to suffer through in this crisis without all of this drama. To his credit, Bp McGuire has handled all of this very well (IMHO) since taking over at SGG. He instructed his clergy to no longer engage in social media debate about the Thesis. I pray that in time, all of the needless Sede disputes of the past can be put aside, and common ground be found to the benefit of the faithful. Perhaps Bp Pivarunas can invite SGG, RCI, SSPV, etc to the annual Fatima conference and they can hash out some things and bring some unity to the Sedes. I pray :pray:

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Re: RCI & SGG
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2023, 05:42:36 PM »
The TLDR that I got was that Bp Dolan wrote something in a bulletin 1 week, that Bp Sanborn thought was against the thesis.  I read what was written and at a glance one could easily think Bp Dolan was criticizing the sspx, because he didn't specify any particular group, at least that I saw.  There were some back and forth essays/videos produced defending the thesis and critiquing it from both sides.  And that was it from what I saw. 

The thesis is a tough pill to swallow but so is the question about jurisdiction.  In principle I don't like the thesis because it was originally developed in the 70s, when there were obviously Bishops with valid consecration and orders around.  60 years later are there any actual bishops around in the novus ordo?
I was also under the same impression that +Dolan's bulletin was more of an attack against the SSPX/R&R camp, though it certainly is possible that +Sanborn was correct in interpreting it as an attack against Thesis adherents. I think there's a lot more to the story than what either side has revealed.