Author Topic: Raymond Cardinal Burke - mixed signals (Read 2195 times)

Neil Obstat · « **on:** October 19, 2017, 05:54:04 PM »

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From Cornelia Ferreira on Peter Chojnowski's website:
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An Ecuмenical Consecration of Russia – with Russian Orthodox Bishops?

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Cornelia R. Ferreira

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As has become obvious, the Message of Fatima is undergoing a new re-write in this centenary year to make it conform to the ecuмenical agenda and Ostpolitik undertaken at Vatican II.
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A new voice amongst the usual peddlers of a fake Fatima message is that of the pro-life hero Raymond Cardinal Burke, beginning with his speech on Fatima at the Rome Life Forum in May 2017, as discussed in a previous article, “Fatima Through the Lens of Vatican II: as Illustrated by Raymond Cardinal Burke.”
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Following the dubia Cardinal’s speech, the Vatican’s mouthpiece, the Blue Army, now called World Apostolate of Fatima (WAF), posted an appreciative article on its website in which it made a very curious suggestion:
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“Perhaps now is the time to invite our Russian Orthodox brothers to join in a consecration in order to please Our Lord who told Sr. Lucia, “I want my whole Church [WAF’s emphasis] to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary….”
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Not surprisingly, the Blue Army considers the schismatic and heretical Russian Orthodox “brothers” with Catholics in a “whole” pan-Christian Church. This follows Lumen Gentium’s heretical teaching – now a “dogma” of the post-conciliar Church – that “the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church,” meaning the Church of Christ is actually bigger than the Catholic Church, and includes schismatic and heretical sects.
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Another consideration arises from the WAF suggestion: since the Consecration itself will be recognized as the triumph of the Immaculate Heart, then the participation of the Russian Orthodox will be the triumph of ecuмenism – supposedly desired and brought about by Our Lord Himself!
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Now, in 1930, Sister Lucy explicitly told her confessor, Father Gonçalves, that Our Lord wanted all the bishops of the Catholic world to make the Consecration together with the Pope. If God had wanted the Russian Orthodox bishops to participate, He would have said so; but even the fake messages later attributed to Sr. Lucia never mentioned them.
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Ecuмenism, which seeks unity (i.e., compromise) with false religions, not their conversion to Catholicism, is a grave sin against the First Commandment.
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Pope Pius XI summarized the Church’s condemnation of ecuмenism in his 1928 encyclical Mortalium Animos, in which he stated it was unlawful for Catholics, and the Apostolic See itself, to support this enterprise. “For if they did so, they would be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ.”
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What is called “dialogue” today he condemned as “tantamount to abandoning the religion revealed by God.”
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Further, as The Baltimore Catechism teaches, a Catholic sins against Faith by religious indifferentism and by taking part in non-Catholic worship, i.e., by praying with members of false religions. It is therefore inconceivable that God would consider the ecuмenical – i.e., blasphemous – act of consecrating Russia with the Orthodox as the triumph of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart. This is diabolical double-think.
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It will be yet another invalid consecration and will not bring about the conversion of Russia, nor the period of peace promised by Our Lady.
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Of course, the Vatican Party Line which justifies all the invalid consecrations of Russia is that the dismantling of the Soviet Empire was the “conversion” of Russia.  This is because, to the modern Churchman, “conversion” simply means “change.” According to the Blue Army, this un-Catholic definition was held by Sr. Lucy herself.
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The corollary of the Vatican’s position has therefore been: no more need to consecrate Russia; it is the de-Christianized world, especially the West – and even the Church –  that now needs conversion.
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This corollary came to life under the Obama presidency, when Christian media, and even traditionalist Catholics, were led to blindly contrast a “more Christian” Putin and Russia with an increasingly degenerate West. Such belief has been directed in no small part by Medjugorje promoters, as well as by the sermonizing and propaganda of President Putin and top Russian Orthodox leaders.
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In August 2017, the Russian state news agency TASS, interviewing Vatican Secretary of State Pietro Cardinal Parolin, went so far as boldly stating to his face that Russia (which spawned the family-destroying feminist movement) “is widely regarded as the last stronghold” of “traditional family values.”
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The implication of these claims is that Our Lady of Fatima, and the Holy Trinity Itself, did not need to command the Collegial Consecration of Russia; the Popes have miraculously succeeded in converting Russia by doing consecrations their way!
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Furthermore, the claims of a “more-Christian” Russia have given an opening to Churchmen to now promote Russia as the generator of world peace!
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It’s the next dialectical step in the communization of the Catholic Church in order to merge her into the Masonic/Communist one-world religion of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, a religion foretold by Pope St. Pius X in Our Apostolic Mandate.
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Now, the Blue Army/WAF, the Vatican mouthpiece on Fatima, claims it’s “the only Fatima organization in the world which speaks ‘in the name of the Church’ and ‘with the authority of the Church’ on Fatima.” Its audacious suggestion to do the Consecration with the Russian Orthodox was thus not made in a vacuum. Recent events indicate an ecuмenical consecration may very well be in the works.
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In his talk to the Rome Life Forum, after lamenting the sorry state of the world and the Church, Cardinal Burke said the following about why he’s asking for the Consecration of Russia to be done again:
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“The requested consecration is at once a recognition of the importance which Russia continues to have in God’s plan for peace and a sign of profound love for our brothers and sisters in Russia.”
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Our Lady warned if Her requests were not heeded, Russia would be an instrument of chastisement; but the Cardinal implies Russia is a chosen instrument of peace!
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So why does he want the “explicit” Consecration of Russia, even though he believes the 1984 Consecration fulfilled Our Lady’s request? In an interview with The Wanderer on August 7, 2017, he claimed it’s in order to overcome Western materialism and relativism, which are “connected with” atheistic Communism.
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Notice his double-think: Russsia is converted and Communism is dead, but the communistic errors of Russia live on in materialism and relativism, which have even infected the Church.
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So let’s strike the rock again like Moses, and hope for a better result; but whilst we’re about it, let’s recruit Russia to help clean up the debris resulting from its (past) Communist ideology.
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As Cardinal Burke elaborated, “… given the situation in which we find ourselves today,” and “in response to the present time which is so grave,” the explicit consecration of Russia,  “expresses also the respect for their nation which could now lead to a repudiation of Godless thinking. In this way, Russia could return to her noble past in which it was one of the most God-fearing nations in the world, and where there was a tremendous devotion to Our Blessed Mother.”
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Um…, unfortunately, this is more disinformation from Cardinal Burke, because actually, there was no such noble past. Almost from the start, Christianity in Russia was of the schismatic variety, and the country has persecuted Catholicism all through the centuries, right down to this day.
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But the Cardinal seems to believe that respectfully giving a missionary role to a purportedly new, virtuous (though unconverted) Russia will generate peace, which presumably even Russia wants.
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Backing him are hearsay reports alleging that Russians (not Russian Catholics) and Putin himself have enquired about the Consecration at the highest levels of the Church (reminiscent of Herod enquiring after the Christ-Child of Bethlehem).
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The Cardinal also justifies his request for the Consecration to be repeated by reminding us that John Paul II said Our Lady wanted the Consecration to be done in every generation, “in accordance with the ever new ‘signs of the times.’”
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Of course, Our Lady never said any such thing.
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But moving on – in this Francis generation, the “signs of the times” include not just the increasing evil in the world and Church, but also an increasing “rapprochement” (latest buzz word) with Russia; so why not do a consecration to reflect this new situation?
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The election of Francis certainly opened a new Act in the ongoing play one could title The Holy See and the Consecration of Russia. As the Russian website pravda.ru stated on August 11, 2017, “the situation changed dramatically.”
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How so? Well, elaborated pravda.ru,
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“Immediately after his election, Pope Francis called for the elimination of age-old dogmas, including negative stereotypes against Orthodox believers. The great reconciliation of the two churches [note the implied equality here] started soon afterwards. The epoch-making meeting of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill and Pope Francis was held on February 12, 2016 in the … Airport in … Havana.”
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This meeting, hosted on Communist soil, gave a clear signal: the Red Flag flies over the Vatican.
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According to Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, former head of Romanian intelligence in West Germany, who defected to the U.S. in 1978, Cuba was the chosen springboard for the launching of the KGB-devised religion of Liberation Theology into Latin America as a means of expanding the Communist revolution.
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Both President Putin and his right-hand man Patriarch Kirill (a billionaire oligarch), are KGB men. And Putin, who is busy resurrecting the KGB and its secret police under new names, himself has stated,  “There is no such thing as a former KGB man.” (Emphasis added.)
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Kirill (KGB code name Mikhaylov), as representative of the Russian Orthodox Church to the World Council of Churches, worked for the KGB to spread Liberation Theology and Russian influence worldwide through the WCC. The World Council of Churches, to which the  Russian Orthodox Church belongs, is the pioneer organizer of the ecuмenical movement.
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The KGB also built global ecuмenical organizations for “peace” to further its agenda. The symbiotic relationship between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox church (whose priests form a secret army of agents) still continues. As recently as 2009, Gen. Pacepa, who worked for the KGB for 27 years, warned: “The old KGB manipulation of religion has now become a lethal foreign policy.”
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This manipulation was actually devised back in the 19th century to bring to completion the Illuminati’s World Revolution. Communism would be the major instrument, and Moscow the seat of the Revolution. Lenin himself revealed Russia was “the road to a World Revolution.”
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The 19th-century revolutionary Russian Illuminist and satanist, Bakunin, stated the plan:
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“Russia is the goal of the revolution; … there it will achieve its perfection … in Moscow from a sea of blood and fire, the star of the revolution will rise high and nobly to become the guiding star for the salvation of liberated humanity.”
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Notice that word “liberated.” Liberated from what or whom? Liberated from God and His true Church.
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Hence, the KGB, under Kruschev, called its religion – set up in opposition to Catholicism – Liberation Theology, with Moscow its Unholy See. This is why the conversion of Russia is so important to God and Our Lady of Fatima.
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The Argentinian Pope Francis is an adherent of Moscow’s religion of liberation. He has admitted to being influenced by Communists and equates Communism with Christianity. He has rehabilitated liberation theologians and socialists Leonardo Boff, Gustavo Gutierrez, and Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann. He is so Marxist that he has been touted as head of the atheistic one-world religion of the Masonic/Communist nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

The Havana “Summit” was thus a meeting of fellow-travellers, as pravda.ru hinted.
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The “historic joint declaration,” as Vatican Radio termed it, issued by Francis and Kirill after their meeting, contained the now-standard mantra that we must live “in harmony with one another” without “any form of proselytism,” and we must work together to solve the world’s problems.
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A few months later, on October 1, 2016, Francis called the attempt to convert the Orthodox a “sin.” He told Catholics in Tbilisi, Georgia, “There is a big sin against ecuмenism: proselytism.” “You must never proselytize the Orthodox. They are our brothers and sisters, disciples of Jesus Christ.”
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On October 13, 2016, the 99th anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun, in his comments at an ecuмenical audience with about 1,000 Lutherans from Germany, Francis extended this “sin” to all attempts at converting anyone: “It is not licit to convince [others] of [one’s] faith; proselytism is the strongest poison against the ecuмenical path.” Let’s just “know one another better, pray together and offer help for one another and all those in need.”
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Now, Our Lord, through Sr. Lucy, requested the Five First Saturdays’ Devotion in order to make reparation for five blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These blasphemies, which He enumerated in 1930, are nothing else but the heresies of Protestantism and the Orthodox Church. Hence ecuмenism, which seeks unity with these false religions, is itself blasphemous.
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But the ecuмenical-minded hierarchy, which probably includes all the Catholic bishops today, would have no quarrel with Francis’ message.
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For instance, the late Joachim Cardinal Meisner, another of the dubia Cardinals, stated in 2016 that both Catholic and Orthodox leaders should “consecrate us all to the Mother of God in the midst of the current difficulties, just as the seer children of Fatima proposed it.”
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Of course, the children of Fatima never proposed any such thing, but, as with Cardinal Burke, no one wants to counter a fake Fatima message coming from a “courageous” dubia Cardinal.
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The important thing is that here we have a conservative hero suggesting a joint Consecration with the Russian Orthodox bishops – and not a peep out of Traditionalist leaders (except for akaCatholic, of course – see here).

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Against this backdrop, we have the next scene in our play The Holy See and the Consecration of Russia: Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Parolin’s visit to Russia from August 20-24, 2017, at the invitation of both State and Church.
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Still-persecuted Russian Catholics saw nothing in the visit to give them hope of an improvement in their situation. Msgr. Igor Kovalevsky, secretary-general of Russia’s Catholic Bishops’ Conference, “clearly bitter, refused comment at the end of the visit,” stating only that it had been “a purely official event, with no effect on the local church.”
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Greek Catholics in Ukraine were also upset. First, the Havana Declaration had been critical of them. Then, in his meeting with Cardinal Parolin in Moscow, Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev, head of the Moscow Patriarchate’s Department for External Church Relations, attacked the Ukrainian Greek Catholics as well.
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But Francis was “pleased” with the “positive results” of Cardinal Parolin’s “dialogue” with Russian officials.
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Besides Hilarion and other officials, Cardinal Parolin also met with President Putin and Patriarch Kirill.
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On his return from Russia, the Cardinal reported that the “main point” he had made in his talk with Putin was “the desire to transmit the important role Russia has to play in promoting peace.”
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He told the Vatican media, “Russia … has an important role to play … in the world. Therefore, it has a particular responsibility regarding peace: both the country and its leaders have a great responsibility to build peace….”
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This is completely upside-down! Our Lady put the responsibility for world peace in the hands of the Pope and Catholic bishops – but the Vatican, instead, tells Russia that Russia is responsible for peace. Talk of passing the buck…
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It seems the new Vatican Party Line portrays Russia as the savior of the world.
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Given Russia’s newly-delegated role in generating peace, we return to the question: Will the “Consecration” of Russia be done in a blasphemous ecuмenical ceremony with Russian Orthodox bishops?
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This would be a smart dialectical move to bring the post-conciliar Catholic Church one step further towards the one-world religion.
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The signposts are pointing in that direction.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2017, 08:04:14 PM »

Cardinal Burke says the new mass, therefore his mind is a jumbled mess. I'm all for ANY consecration of Russia to Our Lady, even if it includes the russian orthodox. It couldn't hurt. But I don't trust Burke's explanations; i'll wait for his actions.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2017, 10:14:05 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 19, 2017, 08:04:14 PM

Cardinal Burke says the new mass, therefore his mind is a jumbled mess. I'm all for ANY consecration of Russia to Our Lady, even if it includes the russian orthodox. It couldn't hurt. But I don't trust Burke's explanations; i'll wait for his actions.

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Good points.
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It's interesting he waited for Fr. Gruner to die before he started this tack. Fr. would have been relieved I think, to see some effects during his lifetime. He died without seeing any such movement from any of his opponents, but that never made him slow down. I can't help but wonder where the Message of Fatima would be today without Fr. Gruner's persistence through all those years.
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Now his apostolate is being broken up and who knows what will become of it.
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Cornelia Ferreira is a real trooper, and a good one to keep tabs on, it seems to me. The way she puts this all together is quite remarkable.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2018, 12:56:26 PM »

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This topic needs its own subforum to keep all the scattered threads together.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2018, 01:44:32 PM »

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Question:
Why is the Collegial Consecration of Russia important to Our Lord and Our Lady?
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Answer:
The Consecration is promised to bring about the conversion of Russia, therefore, the real question is this:
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Why is the conversion of Russia so important to God and to Our Lady of Fatima?
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From the middle of the OP article:
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This manipulation was actually devised back in the 19th century to bring to completion the Illuminati’s World Revolution. Communism would be the major instrument, and Moscow the seat of the Revolution. Lenin himself revealed Russia was “the road to a World Revolution.”
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The 19th-century revolutionary Russian Illuminist and satanist, Bakunin, stated the plan:
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“Russia is the goal of the revolution; … there it will achieve its perfection … in Moscow from a sea of blood and fire, the star of the revolution will rise high and nobly to become the guiding star for the salvation of liberated humanity.”
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Notice that word “liberated.” Liberated from what or whom? Liberated from God and His true Church.
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Hence, the KGB, under Kruschev, called its religion – set up in opposition to Catholicism – Liberation Theology, with Moscow its Unholy See. This is why the conversion of Russia is so important to God and Our Lady of Fatima.
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The Argentinian Pope Francis is an adherent of Moscow’s religion of liberation. He has admitted to being influenced by Communists and equates Communism with Christianity. He has rehabilitated liberation theologians and socialists Leonardo Boff, Gustavo Gutierrez, and Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann. He [Bishop-of-Rome Francis] is so Marxist that he has been touted as head of the atheistic one-world religion of the Masonic/Communist nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.
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This topic needs its own subforum to keep all the scattered threads together.

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