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Offline Rognvald

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Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2022, 07:24:35 PM »
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  • Agreed.  God allowed V2 as a purification.  Catholics in the 1940s and 1950s ... except for Father Feeney and his group ... were complacent that all was well, even though Modernisms had been festering among Catholics for decades and (to some extent) for centuries.
    You say that Catholics in the 1940s and 1950s were complacent with modernism. I posit another theory. How do you think that the papacy was able to be taken in 1958 without anyone in power really batting an eyelash. It is because the Church was being infiltrated for years. This is not God allowing V2 as purification of Catholics. The people He would be 'purifying' have no intention on being Catholics and only have intentions on destroying our Church. I don't think Catholics need to trick themselves into believing that we deserve this. It is one thing to acknowledge our faults to learn from them, and another to blame ourselves when an enemy is obviously attacking us. 
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #31 on: October 24, 2022, 08:19:52 PM »
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  • You have to marvel at the mental somersaults required for Benevacantists(Ann Barnhardt for example)
    to believe that Ratzinger is any different than Bergoglio or JPII.
    Passages from his countless books would probably make Bergoglio jealous in terms of how audacious
    his heresies were....and apparently remain

    This is true, but I can see how some can be duped into feeling that they are avoiding being in schism by the need to accept anyone dressed in white including Ratzinger.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #32 on: October 25, 2022, 07:41:46 AM »
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  • In a departing speech to the parish priests and clergy of Rome by Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph Ratzinger) on the occasion of his resignation from the papacy in February of 2013, the retiring pope gave an insight to his part in the Second Vatican Council, and the reasons why the Council was called:
     
    ‘For me it is a particular gift of Providence that, before leaving the Petrine ministry, I can once more see my clergy, the clergy of Rome. It is always a great joy to see the living Church, to see how the Church in Rome is alive; there are shepherds here who guide the Lord’s flock in the spirit of the supreme Shepherd. It is a body of clergy that is truly Catholic, universal, in accordance with the essence of the Church of Rome… For today, given the conditions brought on by my age, I have not been able to prepare an extended discourse, as might have been expected; but rather what I have in mind are a few thoughts on the Second Vatican Council, as I saw it... Cardinal [Frings] invited me [Fr Joseph Ratzinger] to go with him to the Council, firstly as his personal advisor; and then, during the first session in November 1962, I was also named an official peritus of the Council. So off we went to the Council not just with joy but with enthusiasm. There was an incredible sense of expectation. We were hoping that all would be renewed, that there would truly be a new Pentecost, a new era of the Church, because the Church was still fairly robust at that time – Sunday Mass [that is the Tridentine Latin Mass] attendance was still good, vocations to the priesthood and to religious life were already slightly reduced, but still sufficient. However, there was a feeling that the Church was not moving forward, that it was declining, that it seemed more a thing of the past and not the herald of the future. And at that moment, we were hoping that this relation would be renewed, that it would change; that the Church might once again be a force for tomorrow and a force for today. And we knew that the relationship between the Church and the modern period, right from the outset, had been slightly fraught, beginning with the Church’s error in the case of Galileo Galilei; we were looking to correct this mistaken start and to rediscover the union between the Church and the best forces of the world, so as to open up humanity’s future, to open up true progress. Thus we were full of hope, full of enthusiasm, and also eager to play our own part in this process.’  (L’Osservatore Romano, Feb 14, 2013, page 4, and Libreria Editrice Vaticana website.)

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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #33 on: October 25, 2022, 09:41:01 AM »
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  • "And we knew that the relationship between the Church and the modern period, right from the outset, had been slightly fraught, beginning with the Church’s error in the case of Galileo Galilei; we were looking to correct this mistaken start and to rediscover the union between the Church and the best forces of the world, so as to open up humanity’s future, to open up true progress. Thus we were full of hope, full of enthusiasm, and also eager to play our own part in this process.’  (L’Osservatore Romano, Feb 14, 2013, page 4, and Libreria Editrice Vaticana website.)

    It was bad enough that they ruined the liturgy, architecture, and music but I believe the single
    thing that drove MILLIONS away from Catholicism forever was the scale of sɛҳuąƖ abuse of children by the clergy, then the way the hierarchy facilitated it and covered it up. 
    I don't think there was one novus ordo church in my area that didn't have either a sodomite or kid toucher for a pastor. In fact, during the 80's and 90's a Catholic priest was practically synonymous with child molester. 
    JPII and Benny share the most guilt for complicity in these crimes against humanity. It was like they were in a competition to see who could promote the most corrupt and perverted bishops and cardinals.

      


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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #34 on: October 25, 2022, 11:51:43 AM »
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  • "And we knew that the relationship between the Church and the modern period, right from the outset, had been slightly fraught, beginning with the Church’s error in the case of Galileo Galilei; we were looking to correct this mistaken start and to rediscover the union between the Church and the best forces of the world, so as to open up humanity’s future, to open up true progress. Thus we were full of hope, full of enthusiasm, and also eager to play our own part in this process.’  (L’Osservatore Romano, Feb 14, 2013, page 4, and Libreria Editrice Vaticana website.)

    It was bad enough that they ruined the liturgy, architecture, and music but I believe the single
    thing that drove MILLIONS away from Catholicism forever was the scale of sɛҳuąƖ abuse of children by the clergy, then the way the hierarchy facilitated it and covered it up.
    I don't think there was one novus ordo church in my area that didn't have either a sodomite or kid toucher for a pastor. In fact, during the 80's and 90's a Catholic priest was practically synonymous with child molester.
    JPII and Benny share the most guilt for complicity in these crimes against humanity. It was like they were in a competition to see who could promote the most corrupt and perverted bishops and cardinals.

     

    Yes, and this one is no mystery as Bella Dodd admitted her efforts on behalf of the Communist Party to place in the ballpark of 1200 sodomites in Catholic seminaries.  As those fellas worked their way up the ranks it is entirely possible for them to virtually eliminate any straight males.  In the fist place males don’t want to be around them and flee and in the second place they can find any manner of excuse to wash them out.  I actually read a book long ago called Goodby Good Men about this very thing.  But, it’s funny we have members of this very forum telling us how wonderful the Communists are today because they won’t have any truck with this whole sodomy nonsense.  Riiiight.  They must have sent them all here I suppose. 


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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #35 on: October 25, 2022, 01:32:40 PM »
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  • Rognvald: I agree, even the bible, Chapter 12 of Daniel states the Holy Sacrifice will be gone for 3 and a half years. Christ directed the apostles, Matthew 24, to the prophet Daniel, when you see the abomination desolation.  Nothing happens over night, and Pope Leo XIII and Cardinal Manning and others knew what was coming.  Pope Pius V, he too knew what was coming.

    We must know what the world would be like with out the Precious Blood, I guess. Fr. Faber states the Precious Blood is in all the sacraments.  Get it while the getting is still good.

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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #36 on: October 25, 2022, 02:46:22 PM »
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  • You say that Catholics in the 1940s and 1950s were complacent with modernism. I posit another theory. How do you think that the papacy was able to be taken in 1958 without anyone in power really batting an eyelash. It is because the Church was being infiltrated for years. This is not God allowing V2 as purification of Catholics. The people He would be 'purifying' have no intention on being Catholics and only have intentions on destroying our Church. I don't think Catholics need to trick themselves into believing that we deserve this. It is one thing to acknowledge our faults to learn from them, and another to blame ourselves when an enemy is obviously attacking us.

    Sure, that's HOW they did it.  What I meant with "complacent with Modernism", just take a look at some of the stuff you see being spouted by Catholic bishops and priests in the 1940s and 1950s.  It was every bit as Modernist and heretical as what the Novus Ordites think / say / believe today.

    But people were like, "churches full, seminaries full, convents full, schools flourishing, lots of conversions, etc."  Bishop Sheen said that the projections were before V2 that the US would become a majority Catholic country within a couple decades, given the birth and the conversion rates.

    So everybody thought that Cushing and these other Modernist heretics were "what the Church teaches and believes".  But God allowed V2 to expose it all.  Catholics who remained had to figure out what happened and why.

    Bergoglio is yet another shakeup ... another call out to those who remain in the Conciliar Church ... to think through what Catholicism really is by contrast with Bergoglio.