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Offline Hardicanute

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Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
« on: October 22, 2022, 09:58:24 PM »
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    • Benedict XVI: Vatican II was both meaningful and necessary

    Pope emeritus Benedict XVI sends a letter to an international symposium on "The Ecclesiology of Joseph Ratzinger" held at the US Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio, and upholds the importance and legacy of the Second Vatican Council.

    By Deborah Castellano Lubov

    As the Church recently celebrated the 60-year anniversary of the Second Vatican Council, Pope emeritus Benedict XVI said that Vatican II not only was "meaningful" but "necessary."

    The Pope Emeritus did so in a letter he sent to Father Dave Pivonka, the president of the Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio, which just hosted the 10th International Symposium, 20-21 October, on the theme 'The Ecclesiology of Joseph Ratzinger.'

    The event at the US university was sponsored by the Joseph Ratzinger-Benedict XVI Vatican Foundation. Fr. Federico Lombardi, President of the Ratzinger Foundation, read the letter at the event.

    'A new council proved to be
    necessary'

    In the letter, Benedict said it was "a great honor and joy for me that in the United States of America, at the Franciscan University of Steubenville, an International Symposium is dealing with my ecclesiology, thus placing my thinking and effort in the great stream in which it has moved."

    "When I began to study theology in January 1946," he said, "no one thought of an Ecuмenical Council. When Pope John XXIII announced it, to everyone’s surprise, there were many doubts as to whether it would be meaningful, indeed whether it would be possible at all, to organize the insights and questions into the whole of a conciliar statement and thus to give the Church a direction for its further journey."

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    “In reality, a new council proved to be not only meaningful, but necessary.”
    For the first time, Benedict continued, "the question of a theology of religions had shown itself in its radicality."
    The same is true, the Pope emeritus acknowledged, for the relationship between faith and the world of mere reason.

    "Both topics had not been foreseen in this way before," Benedict acknowledged.

    Working toward a right understanding of the Church

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    “This explains why Vatican II at first threatened to unsettle and shake the Church more than to give her a new clarity for her mission.”
    The Pope Emeritus expressed his sincere hope that the International Symposium "will be helpful in the struggle for a right understanding of the Church and the world in our time."

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2022-10/benedict-xvi-letter-steubenville-pope-emeritus.html
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #1 on: October 22, 2022, 10:03:51 PM »
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    • Full letter: https://franciscan.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Benedict-XVI-Letter-to-Fr-Dave-Pivonka-TOR.pdf
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #2 on: October 22, 2022, 10:06:36 PM »
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    • I call Cardinal Siri Thesis and Nostra Aetate shilling on that. The shills today.
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #3 on: October 22, 2022, 10:10:28 PM »
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    • You have to marvel at the mental somersaults required for Benevacantists(Ann Barnhardt for example) 
    to believe that Ratzinger is any different than Bergoglio or JPII. 
    Passages from his countless books would probably make Bergoglio jealous in terms of how audacious
    his heresies were....and apparently remain
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #4 on: October 22, 2022, 10:17:33 PM »
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    • V2 was more necessary at least than the rosary and hours of prayer in Latin. It's to say something "relative", something "pastoral". So on and so forth, alwaysthemore nevertheless, I mean they (the rosary and hours of prayer in Latin) should not enjoy any advantage over "progress", and should therefore also take a back seat to that "progress", that "progress" ipso facto, "in a certain sense".

    Let's be honest. In Catholicism there has been the rosary, the Ave Marias, Pater Nosters, and Credos, and then the hours of prayer in Latin (even to include the mass) ... and then there has been  the apparent and curious necessity of Vatican II. What a picture, what a painting, and then a thousand words.


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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #5 on: October 22, 2022, 11:32:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Donachie on October 22, 2022, 10:17:33 PM
    V2 was more necessary at least than the rosary and hours of prayer in Latin. It's to say something "relative", something "pastoral". So on and so forth, alwaysthemore nevertheless, I mean they (the rosary and hours of prayer in Latin) should not enjoy any advantage over "progress", and should therefore also take a back seat to that "progress", that "progress" ipso facto, "in a certain sense".

    Let's be honest. In Catholicism there has been the rosary, the Ave Marias, Pater Nosters, and Credos, and then the hours of prayer in Latin (even to include the mass) ... and then there has been  the apparent and curious necessity of Vatican II. What a picture, what a painting, and then a thousand words.
    I don't mean this nasty, but what in the world are you talking about?

    I can't make any sense of it.
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #6 on: October 23, 2022, 12:41:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on October 22, 2022, 11:32:49 PM
    I don't mean this nasty, but what in the world are you talking about?

    I can't make any sense of it.
    You are not nasty. I too wonder what he said. It makes no sense to me.
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #7 on: October 23, 2022, 07:19:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on October 22, 2022, 10:10:28 PM
    You have to marvel at the mental somersaults required for Benevacantists(Ann Barnhardt for example)
    to believe that Ratzinger is any different than Bergoglio or JPII.
    Passages from his countless books would probably make Bergoglio jealous in terms of how audacious
    his heresies were....and apparently remain
    They'll just claim he didn't really write that letter.  Any word from Brother Bugnolo?
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #8 on: October 23, 2022, 07:28:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Donachie on October 22, 2022, 10:06:36 PM
    I call Cardinal Siri Thesis and Nostra Aetate shilling on that. The shills today.

    With some of your posts, I have to think that you’re sitting there with roscoe smoking some nice MJ.
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #9 on: October 23, 2022, 07:29:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on October 22, 2022, 11:32:49 PM
    I don't mean this nasty, but what in the world are you talking about?

    I can't make any sense of it.

    I made my earlier comment before I saw this response.
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #10 on: October 23, 2022, 07:30:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on October 22, 2022, 10:10:28 PM
    You have to marvel at the mental somersaults required for Benevacantists(Ann Barnhardt for example)
    to believe that Ratzinger is any different than Bergoglio or JPII.
    Passages from his countless books would probably make Bergoglio jealous in terms of how audacious
    his heresies were....and apparently remain

    I wrote an email to Ann about this matter, but she did not respond.

    Father Kramer is the one I marvel at.  He does good work showing the heresy of Bergoglio, but ignores the fact that Ratzinger held the exact same heresies.
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #11 on: October 23, 2022, 09:25:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on October 22, 2022, 10:10:28 PM
    You have to marvel at the mental somersaults required for Benevacantists(Ann Barnhardt for example)
    to believe that Ratzinger is any different than Bergoglio or JPII.
    Passages from his countless books would probably make Bergoglio jealous in terms of how audacious
    his heresies were....and apparently remain
    Quote from: Ladislaus on October 23, 2022, 07:30:51 AM
    I wrote an email to Ann about this matter, but she did not respond.

    Father Kramer is the one I marvel at.  He does good work showing the heresy of Bergoglio, but ignores the fact that Ratzinger held the exact same heresies.
    I have always found that strange about Anne. She has no qualms about declaring Bergoglio a heretic, and therefore outside of the Church..yet insists in the valid papacy of Ratzinger, even though you could compile a list of his heresies that would likely equal those of Bergoglio.
    I do remember her saying that she will hold the sedevacantist position after Ratzinger dies, though
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #12 on: October 23, 2022, 08:42:18 PM »
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    • Let me fix this for all of you.  They all were sodomite priest enablers. 

    To cover up such heinous scandals is mortal sin. 

    Too much talk and too much leftist actions. 

    Vatican II church let the smoke of satan take over says Paul VI. 

    Look at the bad fruit of Vatican II. 










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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #13 on: October 23, 2022, 08:45:33 PM »
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    • Ann needs to wake up.  

    Ratzinger was major lukewarm.  He never spoke up against Bergolio.  Did he say anything publicly to denounce pachimama scandal??
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    Re: Ratzinger: Vatican II Was Necessary
    « Reply #14 on: October 24, 2022, 06:36:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 23, 2022, 07:19:58 AM
    They'll just claim he didn't really write that letter.  Any word from Brother Bugnolo?
    LOL...so predictable:

    https://www.fromrome.info/2022/10/22/pope-benedict-xvis-letter-to-conference-at-stuebenville-oh-usa-oct-21/

    Editor’s Note: Letters alleged to be by Pope Benedict XVI by Father Lombardi are not with all certitude to be taken to be authentic. But, I share the news here anyhow, so that readers may judge for themselves. As Frank Walker of Canon 212.com was first to point out, just when Bergoglio needs some help, a communication is claimed to come from Pope Benedict XVI which appears to do that. At the same time, as reported by Andrea Cionci, the Holy Father, Pope Benedict, is kept completely unaware of world events, by those persons who are guarding him.

    From my reading of the letter, the wording is more Bergoglian than Ratzeringian. So I entirely doubt the authenticity of the letter, except perhaps the signature. If the letter is authentic, it was either dictated in part or the Holy Father has begun to lose his clarity of thought. And if any one thing would make me side on the opinion that the letter is a complete forgery, which Benedict did not even sign, it is the signature, which lacks the P. P., which he always uses.
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