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Offline Pravoslavni

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Ratzinger, the new Judas!
« on: March 18, 2008, 01:03:06 PM »
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  • Joseph Ratzinger is showing his true colors by the forthcoming statement from the Vatican which will apologize for the revised Good Friday prayer, and make certain that it is known that the prayer DOES NOT call for the Jєωιѕн people to accept Our Lord Jesus Christ. He is elling out Our Lord, His Holy Church, and the poor Jєωs for the price of ecuмenism. I think it is not coincidence that this is happening on Holy Week.

    http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USL174472420080317

    Vatican to issue conciliatory note to Jєωs: sources
    Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:26am EDT
    By Philip Pullella

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict has approved a conciliatory statement for Jєωs upset by a Good Friday prayer that many saw as a call for their conversion, Catholic and Jєωιѕн sources said on Monday.

    The statement, likely to take the form of a letter from Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone to the chief rabbi of Israel, is expected to be released soon but perhaps not in time for this Good Friday on March 21.

    Bertone is second only to the Pope in the Vatican hierarchy, meaning the clarification is coming from the highest levels, as had been requested by the Jєωs, the sources said.

    The Vatican last month revised a contested Latin prayer used by a traditionalist minority on Good Friday, the day marking Jesus Christ's crucifixion, removing a reference to Jєωιѕн "blindness" over Christ and deleting a phrase asking God to "remove the veil from their hearts".

    Jєωs criticized the new version because it still says they should recognize Jesus Christ as the savior of all men. It asks that "all Israel may be saved" and Jєωs say it keeps an underlying call to conversion that they had wanted removed.

    But Cardinal Bertone will say in the letter that the new prayer is not a call for conversion or proselytism and that there was no turning back on dialogue between the two religions.

    The letter is expected to stress the concept that all salvation, including that of Israel, is in God's hands and that the prayer is not a call for missionary activity.

    Jєωιѕн groups complained last year when the Pope issued a decree allowing wider use of the old-style Latin Mass and a missal, or prayer book, that was phased out after the reforms of the Second Vatican Council, which met from 1962 to 1965.

    They protested against the re-introduction of the old prayer for conversion of the Jєωs and asked the Pope to change it.

    Jєωιѕн organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the American Jєωιѕн Committee and the International Jєωιѕн Committee on Inter-religious Consultations criticized the new version of the Good Friday prayer.

    According to sources familiar with drafts of the letter, it will say that the Vatican still takes as its reference point the landmark 1965 declaration Nostra Aetate (In our time).

    This repudiated the concept of collective Jєωιѕн guilt for the killing of Christ and urged dialogue with Jєωs.

    Rabbis around the world had asked the Vatican to clarify the new prayer. Italy's Jєωιѕн community was particularly tough, saying the new prayer was a serious step backward that posed a fundamental obstacle to continued Catholic-Jєωιѕн relations.

    Sources on both sides said they hoped Bertone's letter to the chief rabbi would end the controversy.

    They said it would say that the Church had no intention of returning to what one source called "the language of contempt" it had used in the past and wanted to stress mutual respect.

    The prayer will be heard only by a tiny minority of Catholics who attend services on Good Friday that are held in Latin rather than in their local languages as usual.

    (Reporting by Philip Pullella, editing by Tim Pearce)


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    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Ratzinger, the new Judas!
    « Reply #1 on: March 18, 2008, 01:39:35 PM »
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  • Ah, but he has that nice, new Cross, and he is so conservative!
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Ratzinger, the new Judas!
    « Reply #2 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:30 AM »
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    Ratzinger, the new Judas!
    « Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 09:17:58 AM »
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  •    Since Pope Ratzinger is supposed to address the ecology issue while touring here in America , it would be a good time to apply toxic spiritual waste warnings on every American Catholic church. I am sure we are going to have to answer why most Catholics ignnored the Holy Spirit and pretended everything is fine with the Church.  
     
        If you knowingly sold someone a car with no brakes and no warning lights, you would go to jail. Pope Leo XIII in 1984, and Pope Pius X in 1909 had visions of the Church's Chastisement. Considering Luke 18;8, I hope somenone would publish a public warning that any leadership in today's Church can not be trusted. Personally, I think the public pronouncement in 1870 of Papal infalliblity was a horrible mistake. Its like we went back 2000 years and asked the Devil in the desert ,  "what was that third option about earthly power?". Anyway, Pope Benedict is the 10th self proclaimed infallible. Also I believe Fatima is a curse that is a part of this chastisement. Meditate on the stick Jesus at the Fatima shrine in Portugal. (looks like the drawing on the American Peoples Mass book in the 60's. These are just personal  opinions. I am shocked that the Catholic elite have no guts to tackle these tough subjects.

       Next to the warning label, this part of Pope Pius X's catechism should be distributed.

    http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/pius/pvice.htm

    8 Q: Which are the sins that are said to cry to God for vengeance?

    A: The sins that are said to cry to God for vengeance are these four: (1) Willful murder; (2) The sin of sodomy; (3) Oppression of the poor; (4) Defrauding laborers of their wages.

    Take care





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    Ratzinger, the new Judas!
    « Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 12:25:12 PM »
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    Personally, I think the public pronouncement in 1870 of Papal infalliblity was a horrible mistake....


    It was a pronouncement of the Holy Ghost Himself.  Do you think He makes "horrible mistakes"?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 02:18:16 PM »
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  • Good one about those "toxic spiritual waste" dumps.

    Things are getting much, much worse in the "Conciliar Church." Even better-disposed pagans are starting to get sickened by what they see go on in it.

    Let's pray that all those with those "toxins" in their spiritual systems will have them flushed out.

    Just a few respectful remarks...

    It's very dangerous to listen to Fundamentalist radio or read Fundamentalist books or watch Fundamentalist TV, even though the intention might be good and there is much that Fundamentalists say that is true about Biblical Inerrancy and the perfidy of Modernists and, er, Evolution.

    It seems problematic and ironic to place Benedict XVI as tenth in a line of "self-proclaimed infallibles" that began with Pius IX.

    And assuming what seems to be assumed, doesn't that make eleven, not ten?

    The definition of Papal infallibility had nothing to do with grasping on to earthly power. It may seem related to other matters related to the maintaining by the Papacy of the Papal States and such, but in itself it had to do only with what the Divine Teacher intended when He made His promises to Peter. "Confirm thy brethren,", for example.

    Even the so-called "inopportunists" of the day, those who thought that it was not the right time to define the papal infallibility dogma (or that it would never be the right time), did not say that those who pushed for its definition (such as St Anthony Mary Claret) were playing the part of Satan, the Father of Lies.

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    "This child is set for the fall and the rise of many in Israel and for a sign that will be contradicted."

    But Simeon never would have said that the Baby Jesus was a CURSE.

    We read in the Gospels that Christ told parables in order to punish the people of Israel who had not believed in Him properly and had not heeded His words. Yet shortly after He told the apostles that He would be taking that tack He was back to preaching Christian truth to the wayward people of Israel as though He were St Albert the Great dealing with St Thomas Aquinas. That is, as though He expected them to understand His clear doctrine and to profit from hearing it.

    I refer to the Eucharistic sermon of Capharnaum, which is clear in the sense that it is not any kind of allegory, and that appeal is made to a logic of which the congregation in that ѕуηαgσgυє was capable: Moses gave your fathers mysterious, miraculous bread and they died; I Who have proven myself before you capable of providing mysterious bread miraculously will give you another Bread from Heaven which will give you eternal life- if you believe.

    They didn't believe and this discourse marked a decline in what we would call Christ's popularity. It became a "curse" but only because people did not will to receive it as a grace.

    I see how it could be correct to refer to Fatima as a curse, but it's probably better to keep words like "curse" light years away from anything having to do with the Blessed Mother of Mercy, and to let her be the one who says anything negative in and about her appearances... "Chastisement"... "Cup overflowing..."... "Last chance".... "punished"....

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    There ARE "Catholic elite" who tackle these subjects. They are called Traditional Catholic bishops and priests. HOW elite they are or how well they succeed in coming up with all the right answers is another story.



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    Ratzinger, the new Judas!
    « Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 04:33:19 PM »
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      Since Pope Ratzinger is supposed to address the ecology issue while touring here in America , it would be a good time to apply toxic spiritual waste warnings on every American Catholic church. I am sure we are going to have to answer why most Catholics ignnored the Holy Spirit and pretended everything is fine with the Church.  
     
        If you knowingly sold someone a car with no brakes and no warning lights, you would go to jail. Pope Leo XIII in 1984, and Pope Pius X in 1909 had visions of the Church's Chastisement. Considering Luke 18;8, I hope somenone would publish a public warning that any leadership in today's Church can not be trusted. Personally, I think the public pronouncement in 1870 of Papal infalliblity was a horrible mistake. Its like we went back 2000 years and asked the Devil in the desert ,  "what was that third option about earthly power?". Anyway, Pope Benedict is the 10th self proclaimed infallible. Also I believe Fatima is a curse that is a part of this chastisement. Meditate on the stick Jesus at the Fatima shrine in Portugal. (looks like the drawing on the American Peoples Mass book in the 60's. These are just personal  opinions. I am shocked that the Catholic elite have no guts to tackle these tough subjects.

       Next to the warning label, this part of Pope Pius X's catechism should be distributed.

    http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/pius/pvice.htm

    8 Q: Which are the sins that are said to cry to God for vengeance?

    A: The sins that are said to cry to God for vengeance are these four: (1) Willful murder; (2) The sin of sodomy; (3) Oppression of the poor; (4) Defrauding laborers of their wages.

    Take care




    Could someone give us a link to the stick Jesus at the Fatima shrine that is being spoken of here? Is this something that will resemble the Broken Cross in Piers Comptons book?

    Papal Infallibility was declared in the expectation that Holy Church would find itself in eclipse and as a result,  there would be no visible hierarchy to instruct the faithful in the end times. The Infallible Magisterium  is contained in the Constitution of the VI Church. http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM#4 and #6

    This is how we identify  a true Catholic in the age of anti-popes; someone who holds these defined VI beliefs in order to assure Salvation.
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    « Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 04:42:29 PM »
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  • Although I do consider Ben16 to be an anti-pope, we must give credit where credit is due. It does seem that he has discarded the Broken Cross although it would be enlightening to know if he has used it before. It also seems as if he is praying for the conversion of the Judaics.
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  • http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/23/wpope23.xml

     Pope questions his infallibility

    By Malcolm Moore in Rome
    Last Updated: 2:15am GMT 24/11/2006

    The Pope has shocked theologians and opened a chink in the theory of papal infallibility by saying that people should feel free to disagree with what he has written in his latest book, a meditation on Jesus Christ.
        
    Pope Benedict XVI
    The Pope states in the foreword: 'Everyone is free to contradict me'

    Entitled Jesus of Nazareth, the first book that Pope Benedict XVI has written since his election as Pope in 2003 will be published next spring.

    The first part describes Jesus's life from his baptism in the river Jordan until his transfiguration, when he reveals his divinity to his disciples. Referencing hundreds of works of history, the Pope writes that he believes Christ is a "historically convincing figure".

    In the foreword, he states that the book is "absolutely not" a work of Catholic doctrine, but rather the "expression of my personal research". He adds: "Consequently, everyone is free to contradict me. I only ask the readers that they read with sympathy, without which there will be no comprehension."

    No Pope has ever opened up his work and opinions to criticism before. Nor has any Pope tried to separate his personal and public personas, according to Professor Giuseppe Alberigo, a professor of the history of the Catholic Church at Bologna University.
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    "I really believe this is the first time this has ever happened," he said. "It is an extraordinarily important gesture. What it means is that the Pope is not totally infallible. As well as being the Pope, he is a common man, hugely studious in this case, but like all men he is subject to debates, arguments and discussions." He added that Pope John Paul II "could never have made a distinction between 'official' Pope and 'ordinary' Pope".

    Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican's spokesman, said the Pope had acted with his "usual simplicity and humility" in seeking to "freely allow discussion and criticism". "What he writes does not constrain the research of theologians. This is not a long encyclical on Jesus, but a personal presentation of the figure of Jesus by the theologian Joseph Ratzinger, who has been elected Bishop of Rome."

    However, Fr Lombardi then warned that the message in the book should be heeded. "The fact is he has been elected Bishop of Rome and has the duty of sustaining the faith of his brothers, and so it is very significant that he has felt such a strong urge to give a renewed presentation of the figure of Christ."

    Some critics warned that the Pope could not be both a free-thinking theologian and the leader of the Catholic church. Luigi Lombardi Vallauri, a professor of philosophy at Florence University, said: "It seems a coquettish thing to pretend there is a freedom of theology while knowing well that this theology rests on the shoulders of a Pope. My impression is that this is the attitude of someone who wants to have his cake and eat it, to be both Pontiff and an independent theologian."

    The Pope said he had spent "every spare moment" since his election on writing the book. He said he had rushed because he did not know "how much time and how much strength" he would have to finish the work.

    Before becoming Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger produced dozens of books on theology. He was also the Vatican's enforcer of religious doctrine, and known as "God's rottweiler" for his firm rebuttals of controversial theology.
    # A study commissioned by the Pope reportedly suggests allowing married Catholic couples to use condoms if one of them is HIV positive. The study, compiled by the Vatican's council on pastoral health care has been passed to theologians responsible for advising the Pope.

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  • Classiccom====Classic Communist.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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