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Non-Catholics do not matter.

This is an assumption and a rather unfair one I'd say.

In connection with THIS question (the peaceful acceptance of a Pontiff by the Church), are you serious, Caminus?

Speaking of responding to posts...

You've made my point, Caminus. You're too blind to see it though. :)

Right.  You responded to my initial observation that such acceptance constitutes evidence of legitimacy which is another way of saying it is a legal proof by asserting that I "don't know what [I'm] talking about" without further comment.  This is usually a way of disagreeing with someone but being unable to articulate why exactly.  When pressed with further demonstration you say "you proved my point."  Huh?  You continue to be argumentative without saying way which is weird to say the least.  And you ignored the rest of my post, I suppose because it cuts to the heart of your position.  

THE ADHERENCE...which is EXACTLY what trads do NOT do. THEY RESIST HIM.

Now I feel like I'm talking to CM.  Accepting the Pope's election as legal and valid is distinct from agreeing with him on everything he says and does.  To resist is to imply the fact that he does in fact have standing.  If he was a figment of imagination then we wouldn't really be resisting anything at all now would we?  But I do not like the term "resist" for we simply adhere to the traditional catholic faith in all its external forms and doctrinal formulations and without compromise with all manner of novelty and falsehood.  The fact that we are at odds with the Pope is accidental to our primary intention.  In other words, this "friction" happens as an accidental effect.  

You pinky is a member of your body, united to its head and sharing the same soul.  Finally you, albeit obscurely, admit you're not Catholic.  I, on the other hand, am.

Quote from: Caminus

Therefore, by this principle and the doctrine of the Perpetuity of the Papacy, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I, and John-Paul II, have been elected to the Chair of Peter, regardless of their supposed illegitimacy. Because they were accepted by the Visible Church as pontiffs, they became true popes.

The "visible" Church that also includes all sorts of public heretics?

The Catholics who are "holding fast"... the truly VISIBLE Catholics... are AT ODDS with these claimants in matters of Faith and Morals. The Tradition of the Church is a LIVING one...you cannot say you simply follow a hierarchy from the past...or the remote rule of faith is your only rule in this crisis.

According to the law, the external forum and for the good of the Church, action must be taken by authority in these matters.  You can't just sit there in your living room and remove everyone from the Church with a wave of your hand.  There are indeed "public heretics" that are still a part of the visible Church, but this doesn't pertain to the question at hand.  And according to St. Vincent of Lerins our rule is tradition, especially when the bishops have gone astray.  What you are essentially demanding is that we act in the way that you deem it suitable and nothing more.  I'm sorry you cannot or refuse to comprehend my words.  If you crawled out from under the self-enclosed closet that is sedevacantism we might be able to progress.  Until you respond to all of the content of my posts, I see no point in continuing.  There must be a reason why you avoid the tough questions.