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Offline Raoul76

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Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
« on: April 19, 2010, 02:07:04 PM »
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    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #1 on: April 19, 2010, 02:07:45 PM »
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    • Correction to title:  "wounded and sinner."
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    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #2 on: April 19, 2010, 02:25:16 PM »
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    • What am I saying... If people thought John-Paul II was Pope after saying the Old Covenant was still valid, this won't change anything.  Plus, I must be consistent -- the reason to be sedevacantist is only tangentially related to the public sayings of these "Popes."  Their being anti-Popes mostly has to do with their attempted corruption of the Magisterium itself.  But these shocking statements of theirs sometimes do get people to investigate more deeply.

    Let me guess what Caminus will say about Benedict's comment.  He will say that he spoke carelessly and failed to distinguish between the Church itself and the members of it.  Yet when I fail to make what he believes are important distinctions, I am called vile and all sorts of names.  No quarter is given me despite that I am a new Catholic.  While Ratzinger -- someone who has supposedly risen to the eminence of Pope and can reasonably be expected to know more about the faith than a neophyte -- is always defended, despite having far less ability to make distinctions than I do.

    Why don't you call him vile, Caminus?  Why is it that you are so viciously anti-sedevacantist when others in SSPX can admit that we might after all turn out to be right?  I have now admitted I was wrong when I thought that implicit faith was a heresy; will you ever be able to admit you are wrong?  Is that so hard to do?  Benedict XVI is not Pope.
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    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #3 on: April 19, 2010, 02:51:53 PM »
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    • He is vile.  Yet, at the same time, the Church is full of sinners.
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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #4 on: April 19, 2010, 02:59:20 PM »
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    • Perhaps Benedict didn't want to hurt the self-esteem of or offend Her members, so called the Spotless Bride of Christ wounded and sinful instead.   :cop:
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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #5 on: April 19, 2010, 03:09:58 PM »
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    He is vile.  Yet, at the same time, the Church is full of sinners.


    The Church is also a perfect society. There have always been sinners in the Church, but the Church remained a perfect society.
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    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #6 on: April 19, 2010, 03:10:16 PM »
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    • Just so you know, you have to impute those words to him in order to make the charge fit.  
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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #7 on: April 19, 2010, 03:11:19 PM »
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    He is vile.  Yet, at the same time, the Church is full of sinners.


    The Church is also a perfect society. There have always been sinners in the Church, but the Church remained a perfect society.


    The Church is called a "perfect" society because it has all the means within itself to attain its end.  The word bears no relation or reference to the sanctity of its members.  
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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #8 on: April 19, 2010, 03:46:56 PM »
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    He is vile.  Yet, at the same time, the Church is full of sinners.


    The Church is also a perfect society. There have always been sinners in the Church, but the Church remained a perfect society.


    The Church is called a "perfect" society because it has all the means within itself to attain its end.  The word bears no relation or reference to the sanctity of its members.  


    It didn't say it did and and I can't believe you think that I was saying that.

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    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    Ratzinger calls the Immaculate Bride of Christ "wounded and a sinner."
    « Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 03:51:54 PM »
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    There have always been sinners in the Church, but the Church remained a perfect society.

    The word bears no relation or reference to the sanctity of its members.


     :scratchchin:

    "Yeah, what he said..." :wink:
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