Author Topic: Ratzinger bows to "alter" in Lutheran church (Read 2657 times)

PartyIsOver221 · « **on:** October 16, 2011, 11:33:54 AM »

I'm beyond the "for real?" stage. Just throwing this one out there for all to see again... and here we are with MHFM showing this .

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #1 on:** October 16, 2011, 12:11:12 PM »

The thing that would shock me would be Ratzinger or any of his cronies actually doing something traditionally Catholic!

These days, I don't even bother looking when there are news articles about Ratzinger or anyone else holding their 'services', or 'blessing' people, or whatever. It's almost a given that whatever liturgical efforts they make are corrupted, ecuмenical and usually spiritually useless.

Old ladies who never bothered learning the Faith in the first place, and people too young to have known Tradition, are the only ones who are bowled over by this 'bishop', whose sole purpose seems to be the undermining of anything even remotely Roman Catholic.

Why on earth would be bow to an 'altar' at a place where they allow women to be ordained as ANYTHING except nuns?

Anyway, it was just par for the course for Wojtyla's ~~watchdog~~ lapdog.

Mysterium Fidei · « **Reply #2 on:** October 16, 2011, 01:52:58 PM »

This is yet another example of the manifest, pertinacious, heresy of the anti-pope currently occupying the Vatican.

Whatever will it take for Catholics of good will to open their eyes and realize that neither this man nor the religion he heads is Catholic?

Santo Subito · « **Reply #3 on:** October 16, 2011, 03:23:34 PM »

First of all the OP spelled "altar" wrong in the title.

Secondly, this video commentary is laughable.

I suppose sedes view Pope Benedict bowing towards the altar to mean he worships Luther and is Lutheran?

Again, ridiculous disingenuous agitprop for the non-thinking. The Japanese bow to each other as a greeting and a sign of politeness. Does that mean they worship each other? That they subscribe to the other's religion? Of course not.

The Pope bowed slightly as a sign of politeness to his guests. He didn't genuflect, which would have signaled a belief in the validity of Lutheran communion.

Yet another sede red herring.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #4 on:** October 16, 2011, 03:37:24 PM »

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I suppose sedes view Pope Benedict bowing towards the altar to mean he worships Luther and is Lutheran?

Straw-man argument.

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Again, ridiculous disingenuous agitprop for the non-thinking. The Japanese bow to each other as a greeting and a sign of politeness. Does that mean they worship each other? That they subscribe to the other's religion? Of course not.

That is entirely different and is totally irrelevant to this disucssion.

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The Pope bowed slightly as a sign of politeness to his guests. He didn't genuflect, which would have signaled a belief in the validity of Lutheran communion.

The thing is, by bowing he implied that he believes Christ is present at their church. When actually, Christ is not present at their heretical services.

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Yet another sede red herring.

You're wrong if you think sedes are the only ones who don't like Benedict.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** October 16, 2011, 03:40:18 PM »

What I find perhaps even more surprising is the fact that PartyIsOver has 4 ignores, about a week ago he only had 1 or 2. Anyone who has him on ignore must not care for the truth. He and I don't exactly see eye to eye on the whole issue of whether or not we have a Pope, but regardless PIO does a great job speaking the truth about the crisis. I've noticed that alot of semi-Trads and neo-Caths have been joining lately, that probably explains the increase in his ignore count.

Mysterium Fidei · « **Reply #6 on:** October 16, 2011, 03:52:19 PM »

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I've noticed that alot of semi-Trads and neo-Caths have been joining lately, that probably explains the increase in his ignore count.

I find that this has been true of the Fisheaters forum also, which is why I have been finding myself spending more time on CathInfo where at least these issues are allowed to be discussed.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #7 on:** October 16, 2011, 04:00:04 PM »

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I've noticed that alot of semi-Trads and neo-Caths have been joining lately, that probably explains the increase in his ignore count.

I find that this has been true of the Fisheaters forum also, which is why I have been finding myself spending more time on CathInfo where at least these issues are allowed to be discussed.

That's actually been the case with FE for a while now. From what I understand, the forum started off Traditional but slowly got more semi-Trad, partly because of some of the things the moderator there was doing. The other forum I post on (Council of Trent forums) is run by a Traditional Catholic but most of the members there are semi-Trads from FishEaters.

Santo Subito · « **Reply #8 on:** October 16, 2011, 04:25:57 PM »

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The thing is, by bowing he implied that he believes Christ is present at their church. When actually, Christ is not present at their heretical services.

Actually Christ IS present at their church, as He Himself said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I am in their midst."

In any case, you probably meant to argue that bowing towards the Lutheran altar NECESSARILY MUST mean that Pope Benedict believes in the validity of the Lutheran Eucharist, which is absurd.

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You're wrong if you think sedes are the only ones who don't like Benedict.

I'm quite aware that a LOT of people don't LIKE Pope Benedict. All of the liberals hate him, for instance. But not LIKING someone, an accusing them of sacrilegous and blashpemous acts is quite different thing!

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 16, 2011, 04:46:59 PM »

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First of all the OP spelled "altar" wrong in the title.

Thank you, l'accusateur.

Ratzinger bowed to the Lutheran "altar". How can you say he "bowed slightly" to the Lutherans there. You are dishonest and blind; quite a deadly combination.

Do you have anything productive to bring to conversation, or do you just interject with your modernist ideology?

You remind me of a housefly that will not shew away from the food on the table after being repeatedly swat at. It is okay. You and your heresy of modernism will perish soon enough.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 16, 2011, 04:51:25 PM »

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What I find perhaps even more surprising is the fact that PartyIsOver has 4 ignores, about a week ago he only had 1 or 2. Anyone who has him on ignore must not care for the truth. He and I don't exactly see eye to eye on the whole issue of whether or not we have a Pope, but regardless PIO does a great job speaking the truth about the crisis. I've noticed that alot of semi-Trads and neo-Caths have been joining lately, that probably explains the increase in his ignore count.

Thanks, SS. I appreciate the comments, and I noticed this as well about my ignore count. If people want to put their fingers in their ears and shut out the truth, so be it. They will be double liable at the Judgment because of that.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 16, 2011, 04:54:36 PM »

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Actually Christ IS present at their church, as He Himself said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I am in their midst."

And all those who say "Lord, Lord!" will not be saved either.

Do you see how illogical your arguments are and how dishonest you have become in defense of a blasphemous, if not heretical, action that Ratzinger did?

VADE RETRO, SATANA!

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #12 on:** October 16, 2011, 08:18:47 PM »

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Actually Christ IS present at their church, as He Himself said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I am in their midst."

No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about. First of all, Christ started the Catholic Church. Not any of the Protestant denominations. Also, I'd find it hard to believe Christ could be present at a place where a bunch of heretics reject both His Church and His Presence in the Eucharist, especially considering the founder of the Lutheran church (Martin Luther) admitted to having been taught by the devil.

Santo Subito · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2011, 09:42:56 PM »

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Actually Christ IS present at their church, as He Himself said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I am in their midst."

No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about. First of all, Christ started the Catholic Church. Not any of the Protestant denominations. Also, I'd find it hard to believe Christ could be present at a place where a bunch of heretics reject both His Church and His Presence in the Eucharist, especially considering the founder of the Lutheran church (Martin Luther) admitted to having been taught by the devil.

Not sure if Matthew 18:20 is in your Bible.

It says, "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."

Raoul76 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 16, 2011, 10:14:10 PM »

Santo Subito said:

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It says, "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."

He also said that many will come to Him on the Day of Judgment saying they cast out devils in His name, and He will say "Get away from me, I never knew you" ( as PIO221 just mentioned ).

Here He's speaking about people who use His name in a way that isn't pleasing to Him, but when casting out devils is involved, two or three AT LEAST are gathered in His name, aren't they? Is Christ contradicting Himself? Or is it possible you are a victim of Modernism and touchy-feeliness?

It is what Prots do to take a single saying of Christ or a single line from the Bible and read it literally. You have to understand it all taken together.

Christ established His Church on the rock of Peter. Therefore we know these are the true Christians. These are who He is talking about when he talks about two or three being gathered in His name. He's not talking about heretics and schismatics.

You do know, I'm sure, that the Church forbids taking part in the worship of Protestants, despite that they believe in Jesus Christ? Why is that, if all that matters is to be gathered in His name?