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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: parentsfortruth on June 29, 2009, 11:38:37 PM
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:shocked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLQSrLUe7PU
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I'm writing a speech for school about art, this is good information!
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Did you get the official site with the 99 cent downloads? I am on laptop w/kids and can't do hard thinking at the same time.
:wine-drinking:
Lots to think about today.
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No kidding. Put the kiddies in the sandbox and am trying to look without being seen. Only one at a time.
I am speechless.
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I did get to that site. It ended up being completely on YouTube. I might buy a copy to send to my novus retardo relatives.
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So the Clares HID the San Damiano Crucifix for 700 years, until 1957.
I finally gave up trying to see this movie; it was never shown in our city. It isn't in the library as far as I know.
It's a kind of drop-everything-and -watch thing!!!!
I was in pm communication with someone who was involved in this at AQ, and of course she got permabanned so there was no way to continue contact..
THANKS for putting this up P4Truth!!!!!! :applause: :applause:
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I'm not bragging, but I'm pretty good at digging up information.
:detective:
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:nunchaku: :fryingpan: :good-shot: :nunchaku: :fryingpan: :good-shot:
Has nobody else watched this yet????
I do not reccomend watching the images of the embedded Cricifixes, turn away.
This is an excellant, must-see. Or even just listen!
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Talk about a satanic infiltration by haters of Christ!
It follows that TV and computer games and Disney films are gonna be bad, bad, bad.
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It's everywhere. In billboards, in magazines, in music, in television most especially, and in the new artwork of satanic shills in the NO church.
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We watched it, and I agree this video is a must-see. 14 parts of 10 minutes each, you can watch the whole thing on Youtube.
This is why I try to "fast" from media as much as possible. What you don't watch can't affect you AT ALL no matter how powerful or insidious it is.
I agree that if this is what's found in modern (and some ancient) religious art, what must be found in Hollywood movies? Imagine the things that must be going into your sub-conscious with scientific precision. Ideas about the family, God, religion, the Catholic Church -- Trash the TV, it's that simple. For your soul's sake.
Maybe this explains a lot of the problems with Traditional Catholics who fail to give up TV?
Matthew
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Some of the stuff he claims to find is not credible.
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Even if he got a few things wrong, he certainly found a lot of crap in religious art that SHOULD NOT BE THERE and it's certainly possible that (sinful) human beings could "get a few digs in" by putting such things in their paintings.
After all, an artist gets paid to create a painting -- but if that artist doesn't like the Church, he will put in things the Church would hate, but they don't know about.
The scary thing is that the subconscious DOES take everything in.
Matthew
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Even if he got a few things wrong, he certainly found a lot of crap in religious art that SHOULD NOT BE THERE and it's certainly possible that (sinful) human beings could "get a few digs in" by putting such things in their paintings.
After all, an artist gets paid to create a painting -- but if that artist doesn't like the Church, he will put in things the Church would hate, but they don't know about.
The scary thing is that the subconscious DOES take everything in.
Matthew
Well, I haven't watched all of it. Some of it is probably legit. Some of it is clearly fevered imaginations.
This guy and his movie have an agenda of trashing Catholic art. Don't get me wrong, there's undoubtedly esoteric stuff in art, and a lot of the post-Vatican II stuff is overtly evil. However, with symbolism one needs to be careful. It's easy to see things that aren't there, and its easy to plant false trails and theories.
Conspiracism is an important field, but one of the main reasons conspiracists are heaped with ridicule is that it's easy to be taken in by misinformation. I am someone with a "conspiratorial" view of history, but people like this guy are up to no good.
If you want to see something (not by a Catholic, and the narrator is very annoying, but nevertheless the video is very informative) interesting about Hollywood movies, watch this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1380969024589298776&hl=en
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No, this guy does not trash Catholic art, he defends St. John the Baptist being portrayed as a girl. The Church hired some pretty unsavory guys at times.
The experts he has as part of the docuмentary care very much about impurity being foisted upon an unsuspecting public.
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Telesphorous, perhaps you could tell us why we should watch your movie instead?
I've been wanting to see this movie for years, and I think it is something to be very aware of. I think it was edited or something -there were some really, really nasty Missalettes and it doesn't seem as if he showed the worst of them.
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Telesphorous, perhaps you could tell us why we should watch your movie instead?
I've been wanting to see this movie for years, and I think it is something to be very aware of. I think it was edited or something -there were some really, really nasty Missalettes and it doesn't seem as if he showed the worst of them.
Okay Elizabeth, I will watch the whole thing, and then I'll get back to you.
Keep in mind, I have no doubt the post-Vatican II stuff is very bad indeed.
As for "my movie" - it's very annoying, but it's quite interesting, if you have the patience to listen to the guy. Take it or leave it.
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Hi Telesphorous, I guess I am a bit wary of clicking on links.
We have just had a computer disaster this past week!
And annoying in what way? Give us the low-down; inquiring minds want to know!
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And annoying in what way? Give us the low-down; inquiring minds want to know!
It's just a google video link.
It's annoying because the guy isn't a good speaker, and he speaks in Protestant Evangelese.
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I think what I got most out of this video was that good Catholic art has a certain "feel" to it and is objectively beautiful. Most of the images he showed were ugly to begin with, so I wasn't surprised that the painter might have had bad motives.
I wasn't convinced about the EWTN art. Most of it seemed very nice and the bulk of the imbeds he discussed in these were weak in my opinion.
The OCP stuff, however, didn't surprise me at all. I thought those missal covers were creapy when I attended the N.O. and am not surprised by the newer stuff they've put out.
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To me, he's credible. On his website he refers to the "post conciliar church" when referring to it, and also, he is a Catholic, so it's not some evangelical slant on things, it's someone trying to be as objective as possible, and consulting Catholic experts as well on the subject. Very interesting.
I was so glad when the digital signal for TV came on, because I don't have that idiot box in my house anymore.
:tv-disturbed:
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I'd have to watch it again to say if this was 100% true or not, but it struck me as odd that the other "experts" discussed everything but the art itself. It seemed as though they were interviewed to discuss various related topics, but I don't think any of them gave a second nod to anything specific in the artwork.
Certainly there are tons of problems in the church and imbeds in artwork are probably in many places. But, I didn't find this video to be totally convincing. He should have had the other experts back him up on some specific instances and I don't think he did that at all.
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The OCP stuff, however, didn't surprise me at all. I thought those missal covers were creapy when I attended the N.O. and am not surprised by the newer stuff they've put out.
I second that.
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This was a very interesting movie (finally finished it last night). I wonder if Calace would convert if he was presented with the truth of sede vacante...
My guess is he would, and he'd slap himself in the forehead and say "No wonder!!!"
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Okay so I just found this very blasphemous crucifix on a website of a homeschooling website. Saint Thomas Aquinas Academy. Here is what I wrote to them:
I thought, in charity, I would bring your attention to that crucifix you have on the front of your website.
Here is a video about this crucifix, and how blasphemous it is. There were quite a few made by "anonymous" painters with this graphic image on it, and I think you should replace it with something not blasphemous.
Start watching here at about 1:57:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdU9snaIpXE
The Bigallo Crucifix and the San Damiano Crucifix are the two most popular ones.
The entire docuмentary can be viewed here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLQSrLUe7PU
God Bless you,
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Here is the website where I found it right on the front page:
http://www.staa-homeschool.com/
If you've watched Rape of the Soul, it's very clear that this crucifix is one of the appallingly blasphemous ones.
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Check this out: A Bishop
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008801270387
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I have a copy of one of those crucifixes. In what manner should I dispose of it?
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There is a painting in my grandmothers room entitled, "
The Light of the World by William Holman Hunt". Now, I have looked at the image on the internet and find that some copies are more elaborate than others. Still, on the right of the picture the limbs of the tree trunk form the letter "A", with one branch falling across to complete the "A". Also on the door of the one in my grandmother's room the letter "A" appears on the door, and where Jesus is knocking it is the shadown of Satan, complete with horns. On the lower level of the door is six bullet type holes that have rusty looking blood dripping down. Also, the fold of the white gown at about top of thugh level is all of the sudden bright white, almost illuminated. The rest of the gown being dark as if in shadows. Then where the end of the gown is, where this fold ends is a spray of white flowers. Plus, looking up at the eyes, they are round, and black. No depth to them. Just retilian. I never noticed any of this before. I always thought it was a different picture anyhow as the person never looks like Christ, but rather like Dicken's Ghost of Christmas past.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_the_World
This one?
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OKAY, I was just thinking about the Pre-Raphaelites, on another thread!
:sign-party-time:
Carry on XXXOOO
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Yes, that is it. And, her copy is just slightly different. If you were here you could see it. I noticed that many of the copies on line are different in little ways. I thought I would ask my priest in case I am nuts. Even the shadow where he is kocking is different, it looks like the face that is in the first picture in this series. Also, I do not see the "A" that is clearly on the door in this one.
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Hmm, on second glance the "A" is on the door. Right behind the weeds. Her picture is big, about 36 inches long.
Elizabeth what about Pre-Raphaelites? I noticed some of his other pictures were questionable, espcially one called "The Awakening."
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They wetre a group of superb painters from England, who started a brotherhood against the Academy. They created their own special way of painting, so the pictures have a type of inner-lit, mystical look. They did it by the way they primed their canvasses, using a wet yellow ground. I used to know the technique, can't remember but it's very labor intensive.
They painted allegorical, poetc themes out of Shakespeare, Keats and Tennyson and mythology.
If I recall, 'The Light of the World' was like Star Wars of the day (mid 1800's) People lined up for block s and blocks to see it.
They painted everything from life in meticulous detail, making really very beautiful but maybe overy sensuous paintings. They married their models, having a romantic ideal of elevating a common woman to a higher level ..I don't explain this well.
So, 'The Light of the World' is so famous and often reproduced, I have no idea if the original includes occultic trash.
I really hope not, but then again, it would not surprise me. But also someone could have tampered with the reproductions.
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that post could use some editing :scratchchin:
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Since Judaics like Montieth and Reisman are involved in this it is aimed at destroying our faith. It is true however that hidden messages have been left in art and architecture for a long time. Gothic( Templar) architecture was used in more than a few Cathedrals and hidden messages are certainly in some of them. Boniface was an proponent of Gothic( Templar) art. A good example is Rosslyn Chapel-- Church authorities were not aware of the occult nature of the structure.
Unless I am mistaken Da Vinci has been accused of using this type of symbolism. He was not welcome in Rome.
A note on J Riesman. Someone on talk radio once asked her whether she new anything about the story of Capt Kangaroo being a pedophile and she got very uncomfortable. The subject of Mr Green Jeans being the real life father of Frank Zappa came up also. Some may laugh at this but it was a very serious exchange.
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I disagree with Rosco. Judith Reisman is a hero.
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2009/03/watch_videos_on.html
If Catholics had the guts and common sense of Reisman, we would not put up with apostate popes and Assisi Paganfest 1986.
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What you mean WE kimosabe?
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What you mean WE kimosabe?
Yeah, but at least I am wearing the white hat !
Roscoe, I always knew you were a filthy savage at heart.
(just kidding)
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Is Reisman the one who exposed the predator Kinsey for what he was? My blood pressure can't take reading about that monster. If it was Reisman, may God bless her for loving the truth.
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She is indeed. She looks like a very classy lady.
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Like Oliver Stone, J Riesman tells only part of the truth.
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It is impossible to underestimate the damage done by that damnned Kinsy Report...good people were perverted by it and adults given permission to molest little ones. It sold like hotcakes.
:cussing:
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The Archdiocese of Toronto still has that pic on their site, except they made it very small so you can't study it.
http://www.archtoronto.org/about_us/who.html#4
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Bumping this... for a friend.
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UPDATE: Calace got mad that someone uploaded his movie and we all watched it for free. Here is the official promo site (http://www.rapeofthesoul.com/chair.html).
Why he's not yet a sede, I simply can't imagine.
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I thought that too. I can see him someday learning the truth and smacking himself on the forehead while uttering the word, DUH!!
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Le sigh.
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Why he's not yet a sede, I simply can't imagine.
One doesn't become a sede simply because of something like this.
Robert
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Calace strikes me as a man who is fighting the good fight for the sake of the same Faith his parents and grandparents had, which didn't include the word sedevacantism.
This is still OK. You just KNOW he's doing some thinking. And who knows, his film may be the final straw for someone who is truggling to make sense of how they practice his Catholic religion.
Good work, Mr. Calace!
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One becomes a sede by realizing that a heretic is not Catholic, and is cut off from the Church and cannot be the head of that from which he is severed. The body of Christ is not a decapitated zombie carrying it's head around in it filthy claws- the Vatican II Church IS.
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Calace strikes me as a man who is fighting the good fight for the sake of the same Faith his parents and grandparents had, which didn't include the word sedevacantism.
This is still OK. You just KNOW he's doing some thinking. And who knows, his film may be the final straw for someone who is truggling to make sense of how they practice his Catholic religion.
Good work, Mr. Calace!
There is no such thing as a 'sede vacantist' but there is such a thing as anti-popes.
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:pop:
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There is no such thing as a 'sede vacantist' but there is such a thing as anti-popes.
Just because the term had not been used before the current line of antipopes, you think it doesn't exist. :confused1:
Hmmm... what about all those people who describe themselves as sede vacantists, Roscoe? Hmmm... My guess is that they are... sede vacantists! :detective:
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One becomes a sede by realizing that a heretic is not Catholic, and is cut off from the Church and cannot be the head of that from which he is severed. The body of Christ is not a decapitated zombie carrying it's head around in it filthy claws- the Vatican II Church IS.
Actually my analogy was no good. The Vatican II Church IS unified - under satan.