Author Topic: Raoul76 v. DeMaistre/Catholic Martyr (Read 3030 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2009, 02:41:32 AM »

DeMaistre,

Your opening statement is both bold (you are young and have had no real training) and incorrect. It is unwise to enter into public discussion of a matter that is beyond you. Go read St. Thomas Aquinas, pray, and ponder. If you need the contact information of a learned, aged, holy priest who can help you settle the matter, please let me know.

Caraffa · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2009, 03:26:20 PM »

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Apostolicam Sedem
Letter of Pope Innocent II to the Bishop of Cremona

"To your inquiry we respond thus: We assert without hesitation (on the authority of the holy Fathers Augustine and Ambrose) that the priest whom you indicated (in your letter) had died without the water of baptism, because he persevered in the faith of holy mother the Church and in the confession of the name of Christ, was freed from original sin and attained the joy of the heavenly fatherland. Read (brother) in the eighth book of Augustine's "City of God" where among other things it is written, "Baptism is ministered invisibly to one whom not contempt of religion but death excludes." Read again the book also of the blessed Ambrose concerning the death of Valentinian in which he says the same thing. Therefore, to questions concerning the dead, you should hold the opinions of the learned Fathers' and in your church you should join in prayers and you should have sacrifices offered to God for the priest mentioned."

CM/DM, Was Innocent II a heretic?
Was the last true Pope Honorius II in 1130 AD?

Matthew · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2009, 03:39:04 PM »

With some sedes (note I said SOME), nothing with surprise me.

Just like nothing that happens at a Novus Ordo Mass surprises me. They are infinitely variable, and there's always someone even more in left field willing to push the envelope even further.

"Truth is one, error is many."

Matthew

DeMaistre · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:06:16 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

DeMaistre,

Your opening statement is both bold (you are young and have had no real training) and incorrect. It is unwise to enter into public discussion of a matter that is beyond you. Go read St. Thomas Aquinas, pray, and ponder. If you need the contact information of a learned, aged, holy priest who can help you settle the matter, please let me know.

I'm not sure how its incorrect, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was. I'm actually wondering if professes BoD is actually heresy, since many holy men have believed it. I still disagree with it though.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:09:18 PM »

I think that I am old enough. St. Pius V entered the Inquisition at age 14.