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Rabbis urge Vatican to renounce the SSPX
« on: October 19, 2011, 04:03:34 PM »
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  • More nonsense from the modern world.

    (Reuters) - European rabbis urged the Vatican Wednesday to suspend unity talks with an ultra-traditionalist Catholic rebel society until the movement pledged to fight what they called anti-Semitism in its ranks.

    The Conference of European Rabbis said Bishop Richard Williamson -- already known for publicly denying the Holocaust -- and the head of the splinter group in France had recently revived the age-old accusation that Jews killed Jesus.

    The statement came as the dissident Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) considered a final offer from the Vatican to end their 23-year split and reintegrate the rebels who firmly reject modernizing reforms the Catholic Church made in the 1960s.

    Both Williamson and French SSPX head Rev Regis de Cacqueray, two outspoken critics of any compromise with the Vatican, recently repeated the charge against the Jews, as Pope Benedict prepared to host world faith leaders -- including Jews -- in Assisi, Italy next week.

    "There must be no rapprochement within the Catholic Church for those of its flock who seek to preach words of hate," said Conference head Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt in a statement.

    "We call upon the Catholic Church to suspend negotiations with extremist Catholic tendencies until it is clear that these groups show a clear commitment to tackling anti-Semitism within their ranks," said Goldschmidt, whose Brussels-based group represents chief rabbis and senior rabbinical judges across Europe.

    The Roman Catholic Church said at the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) that it did not hold the Jews responsible for the killing of Christ, launching an era of improved relations between Catholics and Jews.

    But issues concerning the Holocaust, including Williamson's denial and Benedict's support for the beatification of wartime Pope Pius XII, despite statements by some historians and Jewish leaders that he did not do enough to support persecuted Jews, still cause friction.

    After two years of discussions with the SSPX, the Vatican said last month the movement would have to agree to a list of fundamental Church teachings if its four bishops were to be reintegrated in to the Church. The list was not made public.

    The four, including Williamson, were excommunicated in 1988 when they were ordained by SSPX founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre against orders from the Vatican.

    Williamson, who lives in Britain, was conspicuously absent from a recent meeting of SSPX leaders near Rome to consider the Vatican demand. Remarks by SSPX leader Bishop Bernard Fellay since then hinted the group could not agree with the Vatican.

    The SSPX is expected to deliver its response to the Vatican within a few months.

    Offline Anna1959

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    Rabbis urge Vatican to renounce the SSPX
    « Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 05:01:18 PM »
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  • I am totally fed up with organized Jewry, and I am ethnically half-Jewish myself.
    "If I am not in the state of grace, may the Lord put me in it. And if I am in the state of grace, may the Lord keep me in it".--St Jehanne D'Arc, during her trial.


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    Rabbis urge Vatican to renounce the SSPX
    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2011, 05:04:49 PM »
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  • Jewish convert here... and I'm done with them all.

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    Rabbis urge Vatican to renounce the SSPX
    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2011, 05:06:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: PartyIsOver221
    Jewish convert here... and I'm done with them all.


    The Jews like to claim that any Jew who would become a Catholic is "selfhating". They are totally incapable of looking at themselves in the mirror, and seeing how conceited, self-absorbed and materialistic they are. ANY sane person would want to distance themselves from that!
    "If I am not in the state of grace, may the Lord put me in it. And if I am in the state of grace, may the Lord keep me in it".--St Jehanne D'Arc, during her trial.

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    Rabbis urge Vatican to renounce the SSPX
    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 05:59:05 PM »
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  • " But see how thereafter the order was changed about: they became dogs, and we became the children. Paul said of the Jews: "Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the mutilation. For we are the circumcision". Do you see how those who at first were children became dogs? Do you wish to find out how we, who at first were dogs, became children? "But to as many as received him, he gave the power of becoming sons of God".

    "Many, I know, respect the Jews and think that their present way of life is a venerable one. This is why I hasten to uproot and tear out this deadly opinion. I said that the synagogue is no better than a theater and I bring forward a prophet as my witness. Surely the Jews are not more deserving of belief than their prophets. "You had a harlot's brow; you became shameless before all". Where a harlot has set herself up, that place is a brothel. But the synagogue is not only a brothel and a theater; it also is a den of robbers and a lodging for wild beasts. Jeremiah said: "Your house has become for me the den of a hyena". He does not simply say "of wild beast", but "of a filthy wild beast", and again: "I have abandoned my house, I have cast off my inheritance". But when God forsakes a people, what hope of salvation is left? When God forsakes a place, that place becomes the dwelling of demons."

    St. John Chrysostom.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila


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    Rabbis urge Vatican to renounce the SSPX
    « Reply #5 on: October 19, 2011, 08:26:07 PM »
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  • The Jews go around acting like they've been treated so horribly by people, that they're the religion that everyone beats up on.

    Interesting the Jews claim this really, given Bishop Fellay's comment that we shouldn't be anti-Jewish.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2011, 08:37:32 PM »
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  • Dishonest article implies the bishops are still excommunicated.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 19, 2011, 08:42:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charles
    Dishonest article implies the bishops are still excommunicated.


    The modernists still imply that, too.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 07:00:01 PM »
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  • Oh, those silly little fake rabbis and their urges.  :laugh1:

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    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2011, 10:07:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Anna1959
    Quote from: PartyIsOver221
    Jewish convert here... and I'm done with them all.


    The Jews like to claim that any Jew who would become a Catholic is "selfhating". They are totally incapable of looking at themselves in the mirror, and seeing how conceited, self-absorbed and materialistic they are. ANY sane person would want to distance themselves from that!



    Amen. If this isn't the truth about them, I don't know what is. Materialism is the key word. Build your riches on earth, for that is where all riches are --- is their motto. Really, there is no eternity to the Jew. No heaven, no hell, no God in the sense of the Christian God. It's a God as in a distanced, non-loving, set-it-and-forget-it God. So why should we worship or adore him? That's the Jewish mind. That is, if they even think about these metaphysical ideas after finishing the day's stock trading or reading the New York Times.


    Like I said, Anna1959, I am DONE with them.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 23, 2011, 12:52:24 AM »
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  • Got this from CMRI:

    "This startling heresy has come more sharply into focus in the last twenty-five years or so. Although not explicitly contained in Nostra Aetate of Vatican II, it was there implicitly (after all, in the spirit of false ecumenism, we can’t be teaching the necessity of salvation in the one true Church founded by Christ). One of our readers, Edward L. Pugh, Ph.D., noted what Robert Sungenis had to say on this point in the New Oxford Review of October, 2005. There, Sungenis listed five “outlandish claims concerning the Jewish people” that came after Vatican II:
     
    1.“The Old Covenant has never been revoked” (John Paul II, 1980).
    2.“The Jewish wait for the Messiah is not in vain” (Pontifical Biblical Commission under Cardinal Ratzinger, 2001).
    3.“The Church believes that Judaism, i.e., the faithful response of the Jewish people to God’s irrevocable Covenant, is salvific for them” (Cardinal Kasper, 2001).
    4.“To proselytize [Jews] is not an attitude of love, nor is it one of knowledge!” (Cardinal Willebrands, 1992).
    5.“Campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity are no longer theologically acceptable to the Catholic Church” (Cardinal Keeler, 2002).


    This smells like heresy.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila


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    « Reply #11 on: October 23, 2011, 01:05:28 AM »
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  • agreed

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    « Reply #12 on: October 26, 2011, 01:04:15 AM »
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  • LP, would you call this manifest and notorious heresy: That the Jews need not convert to the Catholic Faith to be saved?
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila


     

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