Author Topic: Quote from old Catholic book supports sedevacantists (Read 12879 times)

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 07, 2017, 10:49:52 PM »

Quote from: Recusant Sede

I'm done.....it's like arguing with an evolutionist!

I hear you brother. You should see him in action in the Feeneyite section - heresy after heresy - truly disturbing and I don't even waste my time anymore. There are many discussions where I simply hide all of his posts - it's that bad. Sometimes I suspect he may have been paid just to throw confusion into the discussions....and I'm not even kidding.

Stubborn · « **Reply #46 on:** February 08, 2017, 05:57:04 AM »

Quote from: Recusant Sede

I'm done.....it's like arguing with an evolutionist!

You're the one talking in circles.........

You asked:
Now, can we agree that being subject to someone is to submit to their authority or to obey that person as long as that person does not command us to sin?

You then repeat the same thing:
So you admit that being subject to someone is submitting to their authority!

I've been arguing with crazy sede's long enough to know that your line of questioning leads directly back to your original confused post equating "subject" to "submit", without regard to sin:
What all Catholics must do is submit to the reignng Roman Pontiff, do you submit to Bergoglio or do you just acknowledge him as pope?

Wash, rinse, repeat. Same o same o.

Stubborn · « **Reply #47 on:** February 08, 2017, 05:59:38 AM »

Quote from: saintbosco13

Quote from: Recusant Sede
I'm done.....it's like arguing with an evolutionist!

I hear you brother. You should see him in action in the Feeneyite section - heresy after heresy - truly disturbing and I don't even waste my time anymore. There are many discussions where I simply hide all of his posts - it's that bad. Sometimes I suspect he may have been paid just to throw confusion into the discussions....and I'm not even kidding.

The way you promote error, I pray you never need to depend on the Last Rites of desire.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #48 on:** February 08, 2017, 08:52:47 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: saintbosco13
Quote from: Recusant Sede
I'm done.....it's like arguing with an evolutionist!

I hear you brother. You should see him in action in the Feeneyite section - heresy after heresy - truly disturbing and I don't even waste my time anymore. There are many discussions where I simply hide all of his posts - it's that bad. Sometimes I suspect he may have been paid just to throw confusion into the discussions....and I'm not even kidding.

The way you promote error, I pray you never need to depend on the Last Rites of desire.

The point is we don't have a known pope to begin with, also Francis is not subject to God, Francis does not submit to God, Francis fights against God. You know that so that makes you a hypocrite.

Stubborn · « **Reply #49 on:** February 08, 2017, 10:08:08 AM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Quote from: Stubborn
Quote from: saintbosco13
Quote from: Recusant Sede
I'm done.....it's like arguing with an evolutionist!

I hear you brother. You should see him in action in the Feeneyite section - heresy after heresy - truly disturbing and I don't even waste my time anymore. There are many discussions where I simply hide all of his posts - it's that bad. Sometimes I suspect he may have been paid just to throw confusion into the discussions....and I'm not even kidding.

The way you promote error, I pray you never need to depend on the Last Rites of desire.

The point is we don't have a known pope to begin with, also Francis is not subject to God, Francis does not submit to God, Francis fights against God. You know that so that makes you a hypocrite.

I have one, you sedevacantists don't have a known pope Myrna, nor any hope of ever having one.

Francis will be judged by God just the same as you and me. You know that and it makes no difference to either of our eternities. All I need to do is to be the pope's good subject, but God's first. Always, God's first - and in so doing, I know that I meet the requirement for salvation of being subject to the pope.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #50 on:** February 08, 2017, 11:19:12 AM »

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Quote from: saintbosco13
Quote from: Recusant Sede
I'm done.....it's like arguing with an evolutionist!

I hear you brother. You should see him in action in the Feeneyite section - heresy after heresy - truly disturbing and I don't even waste my time anymore. There are many discussions where I simply hide all of his posts - it's that bad. Sometimes I suspect he may have been paid just to throw confusion into the discussions....and I'm not even kidding.

The way you promote error, I pray you never need to depend on the Last Rites of desire.

The point is we don't have a known pope to begin with, also Francis is not subject to God, Francis does not submit to God, Francis fights against God. You know that so that makes you a hypocrite.

I have one, you sedevacantists don't have a known pope Myrna, nor any hope of ever having one.

Francis will be judged by God just the same as you and me. You know that and it makes no difference to either of our eternities. All I need to do is to be the pope's good subject, but God's first. Always, God's first - and in so doing, I know that I meet the requirement for salvation of being subject to the pope.

You don't know everything Stubborn and you don't know anything about the position of sedevacantism. Just because we don't sit and bite our fingernails about the pope issue, you think we gave up on the idea of ever having a True pope.

You claim you are the pope's good subject but I ask you what pope are you subject to, the past True popes or Francis who is opposite in his teachings and contradicts past popes.

You say you are subject to God first, then submit to God and stop resisting Him, trust that He, God will give us a True Pope in HIS TIME, not your time.

The problem with so many Traditional Catholics is Pride if they can't figure out how God will work out and end this crisis they invent a theory that yes, God is allowing His church to be deceived and bringing souls to hell. They even have so much Pride as to believe that they will be the instruments of fixing the church, that God NEEDs THEM. They forget that it is we who need God, not vice versa. In the meantime, they whittle the time away seeking and hearing every person who backs their self-planned agenda. Tearing down anyone who simply says trust in Mary and the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

Relax and trust in God, He is in charge, not you.

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 08, 2017, 12:21:38 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

All I need to do is to be the pope's good subject, but God's first. Always, God's first - and in so doing, I know that I meet the requirement for salvation of being subject to the pope.

Stubborn,

If we look on the home page of Francisquotes.com, we can find a list of quotes with direct links to the Vatican websites showing Francis doing the following:

Promoting Atheism
Doubting the Blessed Trinity
Condemning capital punishment when the Church has approved of it
Approving of cohabitation/concubinage
Speaking positively of communism
Approving of contraception
Condemning conversion/proselytizing
Approving of ecuмenism
Approving of pagans worshiping their false gods
Saying that those in the Islam false religion will be saved
Saying that those in the Jєωιѕн religion will be saved
Questioning the omnipotence of God
Approving of prayer in common when the Church has repeatedly condemned it
Commemorating the Protestant Reformation
Denying that sins are forgiven in the Sacrament of Confession
Saying that the majority of sacramental marriages are null
Approving of same-sex marriage
Approving of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity
Approving of sex education
Approving of ѕυιcιdє

Even an uneducated child before the age of reason could tell you some of these are wrong because they are contrary to even the Natural Law. You are defending SIN - Don't even bother saying that defending sin is "fulfilling a requirement for your salvation".

Keep in mind that the Church teaches there are 9 ways in partaking in another's sin:

By Counsel
By Command
By Consent
By Provocation
By Flattery
By Concealment
By Silence
By Participation
By Justification

By giving us your heroic statement that you will be subject to Francis, your partaking in his sins by several of these ways; by consent, by silence, and by justification at a minimum. That's not putting God first, that's putting YOU first. You're not fooling anybody, and just giving us all the more reason to tune you out in these forums.

Matto · « **Reply #52 on:** February 08, 2017, 12:33:28 PM »

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Saying that those in the Islam false religion will be saved
Saying that those in the Jєωιѕн religion will be saved

I don't think these two points are fair because nearly all sedevacantist priests that I know of also believe this. And don't you believe this also?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #53 on:** February 08, 2017, 12:44:08 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: saintbosco13
Saying that those in the Islam false religion will be saved
Saying that those in the Jєωιѕн religion will be saved

I don't think these two points are fair because nearly all sedevacantist priests that I know of also believe this. And don't you believe this also?

Since we use the same books prior to VII, and my attending Catholic school my entire life prior to VII, this was never taught. I hope I am misunderstanding your point.

Actually it is THE POPE of SSPX, that teaches such. Your pope too, I believe! Which is the real reason why you don't think it fair to mention.

Matto · « **Reply #54 on:** February 08, 2017, 12:49:18 PM »

Um Myrna, do you believe people in false religions can be saved by baptism of desire without converting to the Catholic religion? Didn't you post an article from a CMRI magazine that claimed this. And of course you are an oracle and you know "the real reason" for all of my posts.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #55 on:** February 08, 2017, 12:51:46 PM »

Matto, Do you not believe that Jesus Christ died for all men and He provided a way for all men to save their SOUL IF THEY COOPERATE WITH GOD'S GRACE.

Your pope believes that all men automatically CAN SAVE THEIR SOUL, without grace. But then he is your pope and the leader of the NWO.

Why not read the article it's in the library, not just stop at the Title.

Matto · « **Reply #56 on:** February 08, 2017, 12:58:55 PM »

I am not trying to argue with you about BOD right now.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #57 on:** February 08, 2017, 01:13:13 PM »

Matto, here is the article, for fear of scandal I urge you to read the article since you are the one that mentioned it. Read the entire article. The first few paragraphs at least. If after reading it, and you don't agree then that would be a debate on another thread.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Salvation

Stubborn · « **Reply #58 on:** February 08, 2017, 01:19:49 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

You don't know everything Stubborn and you don't know anything about the position of sedevacantism. Just because we don't sit and bite our fingernails about the pope issue, you think we gave up on the idea of ever having a True pope.

Very true that I don't know everything, I do know quite a bit about the sedevacantist position though - for example, I know you submit to the papacy - whatever that means - I know this because you've posted as much at least a few times. The dogma decrees it is altogether necessary to be subject to the pope though, not the papacy.

Quote from: MyrnaM

You claim you are the pope's good subject but I ask you what pope are you subject to, the past True popes or Francis who is opposite in his teachings and contradicts past popes.

You say you are subject to God first, then submit to God and stop resisting Him, trust that He, God will give us a True Pope in HIS TIME, not your time.

Currently I am subject to Francis who is opposite in his teachings and contradicts past popes - but I am subject to God first. God is the One, after all, who revealed the dogma that it is altogether necessary for every human creature to be subject to the pope.

I mean no insult to you Myrna, but saying "God will give us a True Pope in HIS TIME, not your time" makes no sense for a few reasons; 1) I'm not even the one waiting for a pope, you are. As it is, God saw fit to give us pope Francis, who, as you rightly say, is opposite in his teachings and contradicts past popes, and 2) your saying that I am waiting for a pope reminds me a remark Fr. Feeney made about Jews......“The poor Jews are like expectant travelers waiting in a railroad station for a train which went by 2,000 years ago”, the sedevacantists are waiting for a pope, while a pope has been in office all along, or like the man who looks high and low and cannot find his eye glasses anywhere, as they sit on top of his head.

No, I am not waiting for a pope, I am taking the easiest and surest path possible to guarantee for me that I meet the requirement for salvation of being subject to the pope by always being subject to God first. All things considered, it's really pretty easy.

Matto · « **Reply #59 on:** February 08, 2017, 01:21:37 PM »

I read what you posted. My point when I made my initial post was not to start an argument about Baptism of Desire, which I do believe in by the way, but only to say that if you believe that Jews and Muslims can be saved by Baptism of Desire, you should not condemn Pope Francis for believing that Jews and Muslims can be saved because you also believe that Jews and Muslims can be saved.