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Offline Petertherock

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Quotations regarding the unchangeability of the Sacraments
« on: February 07, 2014, 07:48:34 PM »
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  • Nothing new here but some good material...There is a lot more at the link provided...

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/vatican2/documents.htm

    Quotations regarding the unchangeability of the Sacraments:
     
    Canon 13, 7th Session of the Council of Trent says:  “If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, wont to be used in the solemn administrations of the sacraments, may be condemned, or without sin be omitted at pleasure by the ministers, or be changed by any pastor of the churches whomsoever into new ones; let him be anathema.”  Some translations in English mistranslate as “…or be changed by any pastor of the churches into new ones…”.  The word ‘whomsoever’ includes the Pope himself who is the Prime Minister (pastor).  Latin:  per quem cumque Ecclesiarum Pastorum
    The Council of Trent does not need to tell me that any pastor cannot change the rites.
     
    Pope Innocent III said that if any future Pope tries to change the sacraments, he must not be followed.
    At Council of Florence Pope Eugene IV had as his theologian Cardinal Torquemada who wrote a book titled “Summa Ecclesia”, which says that if a Pope tries to change the sacraments he puts himself outside the Church.  For this work Pope Eugene IV gave him the title “Defender of the Faith”.
    Pope St. Pius V in response to the Council of Trent’s dogmatic definitions wrote his bull Quo Primum.  This bull clearly states that the Roman rite and those rites greater than 200 years old, cannot be changed and that any priest cannot be forced to say any other rite.  All Popes after this time up to and including Pope John XXIII interpreted Quo Primum as binding on them. (See Appendix A).
     
    Now many Catholics who are “conservative” acknowledge these documents and agree that the old rites should be preserved but defend Vatican II and say that it never intended to change the rites and these are just abuses.  Fr. Hesse will show that the second Vatican council did intend to change the rites and do have heresy in them.   Therefore Vatican II must be rejected in total, not in each line as they do occasionally quote old Councils.
     
    Due to many misunderstandings Fr. Hesse gives many theological definitions to assist the average lay person to understand the issues better before beginning a review of the Vatican II documents.

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    Quotations regarding the unchangeability of the Sacraments
    « Reply #1 on: February 07, 2014, 07:53:58 PM »
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  • In several occasions the Magisterium of Holy Mother Church has positively declared that no one has the power to innovate anything whatsoever regarding the Sacraments. Here are two examples.

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    Pope ST Pius X: "It is well known that the Church there belongs no right whatsoever to innovate anything touching the substance of the Sacraments".    

    Pope Pius XII: " As the Council of Trent teaches the seven sacraments  of the New Law have all been instituted by Jesus Christ, Our Lord, and the Church has no power over the "substance of the sacraments".
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


     

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