Ann Coulter did have a good line. Whatever liberals accuse you of doing, they are guilty of themselves.
In Quis' second virtual hit piece on me he exhibits perfectly the psychological phenomenon of "projection".
According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else.
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3385485.msg32835295.html#msg32835295While I don't care for that language either (though, unfortunately, I have been known to use it on occasion when something gets my goat), banning it isn't really the answer - changing someone's attitude is. I also don't have time to enforce such a ban, so it would be a paper tiger.
"Banning isn't the answer"
Scipio, I'm not going to get into the whole "Stevus thing" except to say this. Because someone has issues, doesn't mean they get to act how he did on the forum which is why I smacked down on him; he didn't get the message from the smackdown which is why he got banned. It's clear he still doesn't know why he got banned and thinks it's bullsh*t, but he doesn't think he has any issues either.
Quis, someone has issues if they are living in sin and in denial of that sin. Do you actually realize you left your wife and Vox left her husband in order to shack up together and get civilly married? All the while you are casting stones at former posters and pontificating on a Traditional Catholic message board? It's called public scandal. Look that up in your theological manual. These are issues.
I gave my theory in another thread what his problem was after he was banned - TradOut (tm) - in other words, Trad Burn-Out. It was sincere, I stated I had been there, too. His response was to laugh, but it isn't funny.
Quis, your response to people pointing out you are
living in sin is to laugh. Truly this is
not funny. It does not have to do with posting on a board, it affects your immortal soul.
The guy went on about how he was a trad for over 3 years, when he only went to his first TLM like a year and a half ago -
Quis, you are going to be held accountable for throwing out falsehoods so flippantly. I went to my first TLM over 15 years ago.
he doesn't even know how long he's been a trad because he has some denial issue about going to the Novus Ordo (which is ridiculous because most of us grew up in the Novus Ordo; there is no shame at all in that).
Amazing libel. It's actually so insane it is silly. Not sure where I ever claimed to go to the TLM from birth.
His wife didn't go until like 6 months ago;
Absolute lie. She went to her first TLM over 5 years ago. Quis, you don't know me. You don't know my wife. For Heaven's sake just stop it and leave it alone. You are casting stones from a glass house.
he can't get his own wife to go to a TLM but he can come here and beat up women for wearing pants and flip-flops.
My wife loves the TLM, Quis. It's not a matter of "getting her" to go. Can you get your wife to go to the TLM with you, Quis? No, I mean your real wife. Your wife in the eyes of God.
"Beat up"? Seriously? You mean the way you "beat up" Spouse of Jesus by banning her for bringing up your scandal? Or the Novus Ordo girl trying to have a discussion about the Society? You banned her, then you banned Catholicmilkman over defending her.
Are pants and flip-flops on women appropriate attire for Mass, Quis? Is this how your wife dresses for Mass? Nevermind...
He goes from being in Opus Dei and not knowing if a Novus Ordo baptism is valid
So I was
in Opus Dei and did not know whether a Novus Ordo Baptism was valid?
Quis, you don't know me at all. The more analyses you post, the more ridiculous you seem. You have a created a character in your mind you refer to as me and then proceed to publicly psychoanalyze that fiction, even making up fictional "facts" about me, to justify your actions to your posters. So sad.
to telling people they aren't trads and saying JP2 proclaimed heresy in 1.5 years. That's insane in itself. Is there any surprise what happened?
First, I never actually called posters non-Trads on the board. Get your facts straight. I asked them questions about what constitutes a Trad. Some of them said one could play in the teen rock band at the NO and be a Trad. Draw your own conclusions.
As for JPII, Caminus was there. I quoted Ferrara and Fr. Kramer to simply point out that JPII at an audience incorrectly stated that Christ did not physically descend to Hell and that this apparently contradicted Tradition. He was
obsessed with trying to get me to call him a heretic so he could have a pretext to ban me. I never did. Get a grip, man.
The ugly truth is that this happens to trads all the time. Mostly, because some become trads because they have issues to begin with.
This is often the case with Neo-Trads. They are liberals, but ones who don't get a long well with other liberals. They feel inferior to them and need a pretext to feel superior. Hence they become "Trads", latch on to Tradition to give themselves legitimacy, and then proceed to look down upon and mock their fellow liberals. But since they have separated themselves from the liberals they attack them from afar and have no worry of counter attack. They save their real ire for true Traditionalists, who they find themselves surrounded by and who continually prick their consciences.
The odd phenomenon we are seeing at FE is a small bunch of Neo-Trads slowly creating a forum almost exclusively of Neo-Trads. They are creating their own virtual world of a specific type of person, which in reality is a rarity. For example, how many Traditional Catholics do you know of who approve of Death Metal? Who think Catholics could have morally used Birth Control before Humanae Vitae, ala Quis, etc.? Their numbers only exist on their own site. And even that site contains posters who are true Trads, but they are drowned out or banned if they threaten the status quo.
Since Neo-Trads are living a contradiction, not only of thought but more often of sin, it affects their mental states and they are given to inanity to distract them from the dire state of their souls. It really is a sad process.
They're looking for a perfection in the Church Militant that isn't there and never was (re-read the interview with Fr. Cekada that was recently posted if you don't think I'm "trad enough" to see another opinion on that topic).
"Trad enough"? "Smack Down" Are we 17? In a certain sense, many Neo-Trads are still stuck in their teens developmentally. How many grown adults do you know, Traditional or not who
still listen to death metal? It is a sign of rebellious disorder in the teens years never reconciled, in my opinion.
Of course the canard about "looking for perfection" is worn out and has absolutely no application in this case. Does anyone here actually think the Church was perfect humanly speaking on earth? How absurd. A complete strawman.
Also why is he quoting Fr. Cekada to his Neo-Trad flock? He became irate at the thought of JPII stating heresy, yet he is chummy and quotes from a priest who believes JPII was an anti-pope and evil? Also Quis himself had a JPII quote generator on his site which mocked JPII. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
People take their personal definitions of "Catholic" and foist it upon others;
This fits Quis to a tee. Quis, what personal definition of Catholic allows a married Catholic to get civilly married to another already married Catholic woman? And does this definition also allow for a consensus of theologians to bind us all to a moral certainty?
But the rest of us are "foisting" our definition of Catholic (Traditional Catholicism) on others? Please.
then when the SSPX doesn't act like they want, they turn against the SSPX as well. There's a difference between seeing problems in the Church and seeing problems with the Church and some people don't get that; luckily, the SSPX, Bp. Williamson included (though some would like to deny it about him) do get it to the displeasure of some of their chapel-goers.
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But, let's go back to your smackdown on a guy with problems statement, because that bugs me. It seems to me, that guys such as yourself who cheered him on were more of the cause of problems than others at the forum who nicely and charitably said to him: "Dude, you've changed; slow down". Because things like you like to say, and people cheering him on, just put more pressure on him to be what his version of "trad" was when it's clear he was having issues and was confused about the right thing to do. He can't just go to a TLM and be a good Catholic; he has to have this "trad persona" and talk the talk or he isn't a "trad". That's the type of attitude your style of commenting engenders.
This ironically describes Quis and his cheerleaders perfectly.
Again, "Projection" is...
"a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else."
He feels he must appear omniscient to his flock.
In any case just going to the TLM doesn't make one a good Catholic. One must also avoid having concubines and avoid people who support you in this. In addition one must actually hold to the Catholic Faith and have a Catholic sense and not one of the world.
Talk about "trad persona", the "omniscient and omnipotent mod" syndrome comes to mind. Emporer has no clothes all over again.
Bottom line is this: yeah, I feel sorry that he had issues, but he didn't listen to others who charitably pointed it out to him. And, issues or not, that didn't give him the right to go around like a tomcat pissing on other people and acting like a general ass.
I'm not sure I could have described Quis better if I tried. Again projection.
That's why he got smacked down and eventually banned. He has my sympathy and prayers, but I feel zero guilt for pushing back at him after he beat people over the head about how "untrad" they are for so long.
Rationalization. Furthermore, I could care less if Quis "pushed back", in fact I wanted him to engage in debate. It was he who often took his ball and went home during our discussions. Of course I guess I would too if I were defending a NO priest having 5 Masses on Ash Wednesday an not one confession.
"Beat people over the head"? Just look at how he treated Scipio, Caminus, everyone he disagreed with. Irony.
Telling people the truth is beating them over the head in the mind of the Neo-Trad. Posting repeated calumny regarding a former poster, however, is acceptable.
You know, it's actually fortunate you brought this up. When all those problems were going on, I wanted to write a blog entry about TradOut. Not about Stevus, but about the problem in general because it is a real problem that I've seen before and somewhat experienced myself. I was waiting for time for that debacle to pass so what I say could stand on its own, and maybe now is enough time. I'll try to write it this week and post a link to my blog entry.
"TradOut". Again with the juvenile slang, etc. Quis is a teen trapped in a man's body and his site, his posters, his unstable moods & attitudes, reflect this.
It's a sad sad story. Pray for him and his "flock" for enlightenment.
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