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Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
« Reply #75 on: December 26, 2022, 12:36:45 PM »
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  • The problem I fear is that because of the books mentioned in this thread along with the prophecies in the Yves DuPont book and the Fatima shenanigans going on is that

    many good Catholics are convinced that there absolutely will be an era of peace, the Reign of Mary, before the arrival of the Antichrist.

    Many are convinced we are wrong to be on the lookout for the Antichrist.

    No, Trump is not the Antichrist.  :laugh1:

    We don't need to be "on the lookout" for Antichrist anyway.  People make fools of themselves with -- Ronald Reagan is Antichrist, no, it's Barrack Obama, or Jared Kushner (LOL -- that clown?)

    Our Lord clearly taught that when He returns, it'll be all over and it'll be like lightning in the sky and we'll all know it.  Anyone who appears before that time claiming to be Christ is either Antichrist or some charlatan.  We had one poster here who was convinced that Christ had returned.

    In any case, there's a huge amount of Catholic prophecy about a period of peace before Antichrist, a Reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and a Triumph of the Church -- way too much to dismiss.

    On a separate topic, just last week, the thought occurred to me, in connection with Flat Earth, about why the deception.  Of course, it would be more difficult to deny God in a Flat Earth system.  But then it also occurred to me, as I hold that the Antichrist will present himself as an alien, if we live on a Flat Earth covered by a firmament, then they could hardly pull off the whole alien stunt.  How did said "alien" get through the firmament?  And if there's no deep outer space with planets and starts out there, the entire ruse falls apart.  But I'll make a separate post about that.

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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #76 on: December 26, 2022, 12:56:25 PM »
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  • In any case, there's a huge amount of Catholic prophecy about a period of peace before Antichrist, a Reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and a Triumph of the Church -- way too much to dismiss.

    On a separate topic, just last week, the thought occurred to me, in connection with Flat Earth, about why the deception.  Of course, it would be more difficult to deny God in a Flat Earth system.  But then it also occurred to me, as I hold that the Antichrist will present himself as an alien, if we live on a Flat Earth covered by a firmament, then they could hardly pull off the whole alien stunt.  How did said "aliFlaen" get through the firmament?  And if there's no deep outer space with planets and starts out there, the entire ruse falls apart.  But I'll make a separate post about that.

    Who do you want to cite for the "Triumph of the Church" in your sense? Fr. Berry? Fr. Kramer? Your new to this thread, but I think there's far too much evidence to not dismiss it. It's been discussed thoroughly here.

    And . . . the Church has already triumphed. Some of us have a different understanding of "triumph." This has been discussed in this thread too - e.g. read my post #57 with the quotes from Cardinal Manning.


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    But then it also occurred to me, as I hold that the Antichrist will present himself as an alien, if we live on a Flat Earth covered by a firmament, then they could hardly pull off the whole alien stunt.

    Thanks for a CI present time expression of the human tendency to the fantastical. Is that also in Fr. Berry? Kramer?

    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #77 on: December 26, 2022, 05:24:12 PM »
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  • Who do you want to cite for the "Triumph of the Church" in your sense? Fr. Berry? Fr. Kramer? Your new to this thread, but I think there's far too much evidence to not dismiss it. It's been discussed thoroughly here.

    Nonsense.  You could clip out 50% of Dupont's collection of Catholic prophecy that all tell the same story, a falling away from the faith, degeneration or morals, etc. ... to be put to an end by a Catholic Monarch and a Holy Pope ... after which there will be a Age / Period of Peace lasting about one generation before the arrival of Antichrist.  This is the first time I've posted on this thread, but I've read it.

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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #78 on: December 26, 2022, 05:26:33 PM »
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  • And . . . the Church has already triumphed. Some of us have a different understanding of "triumph." This has been discussed in this thread too - e.g. read my post #57 with the quotes from Cardinal Manning.

    Of course the Church has triumphed, but we're talking about a relative triump, an Age/Period of peace, the same one that Our Lady said would follow upon the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart.  Combine that with the myriad other Catholic prophecies about the Age / Period of Peace lasting about a generation and preceding Antichrist, and it's pretty solid.

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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #79 on: December 26, 2022, 09:16:31 PM »
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  • No, Trump is not the Antichrist.  :laugh1:

    We don't need to be "on the lookout" for Antichrist anyway.  People make fools of themselves with -- Ronald Reagan is Antichrist, no, it's Barrack Obama, or Jared Kushner (LOL -- that clown?)

    Our Lord clearly taught that when He returns, it'll be all over and it'll be like lightning in the sky and we'll all know it.  Anyone who appears before that time claiming to be Christ is either Antichrist or some charlatan.  We had one poster here who was convinced that Christ had returned.

    In any case, there's a huge amount of Catholic prophecy about a period of peace before Antichrist, a Reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and a Triumph of the Church -- way too much to dismiss.

    On a separate topic, just last week, the thought occurred to me, in connection with Flat Earth, about why the deception.  Of course, it would be more difficult to deny God in a Flat Earth system.  But then it also occurred to me, as I hold that the Antichrist will present himself as an alien, if we live on a Flat Earth covered by a firmament, then they could hardly pull off the whole alien stunt.  How did said "alien" get through the firmament?  And if there's no deep outer space with planets and starts out there, the entire ruse falls apart.  But I'll make a separate post about that.

    Do my words read:  Trump is the Antichrist?  

    I don't see that anywhere.

    In any case, that is not my belief. 

    Of course Trump and his Kabbalah instructor rabbi are antichrists,

    but as for looking out for "THE ANTICHRIST"

    we are warned in Sacred Scripture that there will be many

    wolves in sheep's clothing 

    and many antichrists

    which will deceive the elect.


    So yes, we are to be on the lookout.

    They will look and sound Catholic

    so understanding the plans of the

    Gnostics/Kabbalists/Theosophists

    and how they

    can sound just like Traditional Catholics

    and yet be Luciferians is important 

    so we are not deceived by them.

    Many "Catholic" miracles and apparitions

    and "secrets" and "consecrations"

     have been faked and deceived hundreds of thousands of good

     Traditional minded Catholics.


    Who knows if any of the prophecies from any private revelation will play out?   Maybe yes, maybe no.

    There could be an era of peace before the Antichrist

    or it could come after.  God's Will be done.



    We do know that BOTH the real Antichrist and certain private revelations

    declare an era of peace

    so there is reason to be on ones toes since they can both claim the same thing.



    If you think you know absolutely for sure there will be an era of peace

    BEFORE the Antichrist

    you may be deceived by him because you are no longer discerning.

    The powers that shouldn't be know all about Catholic private revelations and our desire for them to come true

    so as to prove to our friends and family we have tried to convince about these things  (pride?)

    as well as our own human desire for the era of peace and an earthly kingdom.


    A fake miracle of the sun or blocking of the sun or bluebeam event which provides confirmation bias to a particular private revelation could deceive millions.


    It doesn't really matter if the era of peace comes before the Antichrist

    or after.


    What does really matter though

    is remaining on our toes so we 

    are not deceived by any antichrists.


    That means calling out heresies and apostasy.

    Considering the plans for deceiving the elect to accept the NWO OWR

    we must especially be on the lookout for anything

    that smacks of Indifferentism, Ecuмanism, and Syncretism.

    St John told us THAT is how we will know antichrists.

    Many Traditionalists refuse to see these heresies and outright apostasies publicly proclaimed by word and deed by
    prelates like Vigano and Benedict.  

    Could this refusal to see be in part because they are convinced this era of peace is coming (MUST COME) before the Antichrist?


    As for the role denial of the flat earth and firmament 

    play in preparing the world for a fake alien invasion,

    I agree with you.  I wrote about this a while back in a flat earth thread

    pointing out that the Baltimore Catechism now claims there may be other galaxies/aliens.

    No, there is a firmament.  It's in Sacred Scripture 23 times.




    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #80 on: December 27, 2022, 11:46:12 AM »
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  • Nonsense.  You could clip out 50% of Dupont's collection of Catholic prophecy that all tell the same story, a falling away from the faith, degeneration or morals, etc. ... to be put to an end by a Catholic Monarch and a Holy Pope ... after which there will be a Age / Period of Peace lasting about one generation before the arrival of Antichrist.  This is the first time I've posted on this thread, but I've read it.

    Hi, Lad. Merry Christmas. I think I came off a bit irritable in my last post to you. Sorry - it was unjustified.

    I've seen Dupont's book. For the most part, it's a mass of Brother so and so said this, Blessed so and so said that, many of which can be taken to mean a number of things. And there's no attribution to the quotes; no reference to an original or even any source. Then there's things like this (p.22):

     

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    21. St. Pius X (20th century). "I saw one of my succes­sors taking to flight over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in disguise somewhere; and after a short retire­ment he will die a cruel death. The present wickedness of the world is only the beginning of the sorrows which must take place before the end of the world."

    I've found I think 2 other quotes of this on the internet on sites with no claim to any authority; again, no attribution to any published work or any reference whatsoever.

    There's no quotation or discussion of the Apocalypse in Dupont's work on "Catholic prophecy." Well, thats the authoritative grand daddy of all Catholic prophecy - how could you not discuss it in a book on Catholic prophecy? When these types of works do deal with Scripture, such as Fr. Berry and Fr. Kramer, there's some obvious error or contradiction that is either apparent in the text or forcefully exposed by the close exegesis of a great theologian like St. Augustine.

    For example, in your post, you say that "a falling away from the faith" followed by a time of peace comes before the Antichrist. Biblically, the Great Apostasy comes in conjunction with the persecution of the Antichrist. Fr. Berry, Fr. Kramer, and you all have to posit in effect two
    great apostasies" or great falling offs, one before Antichrist, and then apparently another during the Antichrist, to accommodate your theory.

    So, I don't see it, have great problems with it, and for all the world it reminds me of the Jєωιѕн Messianic error of seeing a type of materially prosperous kingdom of Messiah on earth that is at odds with the Church's perennial spiritual warfare before Our Lord's triumphant return. To the extent the Church has an earthly triumph and brings peace to the earth, I say with Cardinal Manning that that has happened already. 

    So, personally I want no part of these private revelations and pie in the sky prophecies. But that's just me I guess.

    Pax,

    DR



    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #81 on: December 29, 2022, 01:12:26 AM »
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  • This playlist disputes some of the evidence on the Three Days of Darkness in Scripture, from Anna Maria Taigi and others:





    However, there is a good deal of evidence that China and Bill Gates and MIT and others have developed technology to block out the sun.
    Since we have a fake Sr Lucy, fake consecration, and fake third secret, it wouldn't be out of the question for the powers that shouldn't be to fake a miracle of the sun and the Three Days of Darkness.
    Hello Miser, 

    I listened to this video, and found it somewhat lacking. There are many points about scriptural exegesis made by the author which I think can be disputed. It is proper for Catholics to search for meaning in Divine Revelation, in all times and circuмstances. Though we must give our assent to magisterial teaching and interpretations, we are free to consider things prayerfully when we are not bound to certain interpretations by legitimate authority. 

    I know of no official and legitimate prohibition of the faithful subscribing to the notion of the three days of darkness, by the Church's hierarchical authority. Therefore I know of no reason why Catholics cannot surmise that such an event may occur in the future. 

    I had to stop my own researches on the subject, because I found multiple contradictions among the various seers. I also found that there are many prophecies that simply never came true. I tend not to gravitate to Catholic prophecy, as it seems to me to be a a slippery mess. But I do wholeheartedly subscribe to certain apparitions of the Blessed Lady. If the Church has approved Her apparition, then I give it tremendous weight, and use it as a guidestone for my thinking. Generally, I do not give much thought to the three days of darkness; but I have my blessed candles, just in case. LOL!

    As for the coven's technological prowess, I am certain it is far less than they would have us imagine. I think their arts reach their summit in the poisoning and murdering department. If the three days of darkness does come upon this miserable world, it will be for the very purpose of taking out their multifarious grids. If it comes, it will be supernatural, and I'd like to believe that those in the state of grace will have certain lights and protections. If the coven tries to pull something off, simply light a blessed candle and stay in the house, as if it were a supernatural event. God will take care of the rest.  








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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #82 on: December 29, 2022, 01:29:21 AM »
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  • Marie Julie Jahenny also tells of the three days of darkness

    https://marie-juliejahenny.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_18.html
     
     Before the Age of Peace can take place, God will be compelled to cleanse the earth of all evil.  The coming Age of Peace is NOT to be confused with the New Heaven and New Earth, which is the End of Time.  The Age of Peace is one last period of glory that Christ's Church will enjoy on earth before the appearance of the Antichrist.
     
     However, before it comes, the earth will have grown so evil it will be worse than the time of the Flood, and so God will cleanse it again, not by water but by fire this time.
     
     
     (*) Where are the Three Days of Darkness in the Bible?  You may find all the relevant Bible passages by clicking here.
     
     
     Many saints, blesseds, venerables and mystics have been shown additional details about these Three Days of Darkness.
     
     (Before I go on however, to stop misinformation,  I have to point out the Three Days of Darkness prophecy by St. Padre Pio is a FORGERY and he said so himself. Click here for more info on that.)
     
     
     Marie-Julie Jahenny's prophecier are NOT forgeries.  They are real.  Below is information that was foretold to her, including information on how to prepare.  Arguably, she has been given the most details to date:
     
     
     Warning signs:

     
     
     
     
    • The evil ones of the earth will be given a great period of freedom on earth: "i.e. 'Satan's Century' -- Marie-Julie was warned about this BEFORE Pope Leo XIII's famous vision of the same.  (Read more about that, click here.) 
    • The prelimiary Chastisements will come: unusal weather patterns, catastrophic natural disasters as  warning signs.  Crops failures, drought, blights, unusal diseases, these are all signs warning people to turn back to God.
    • Pastors of the Church would be pubished through major scandal - a punishment for the 'Plague of Degredation'. (Read more, click here.)
    • Another sign of 'Satan's Century' and that the evil ones will grow desperate as their time is cut short: false mystics, miracles and wonders will abound, these false mystics will believe what they see and do comes from God, but they will all be tricks and wonders created by the Devil.  When we see this happening, GOD IS ABOUT TO STRIKE SOON.  (Read more about that, click here.)
     
     (In addition to false mytics, could this also refer to the sudden manifestation of 'paranormal sightings' such as UFO's in our times? These may be the 'wonders' spoke on that previous ages had never seen before.  Also as another possibility, there could be major 'pagan' manifestions, such as the 'milk statues' that suddenly began drinking milk in Hindu temples in 1995 during a 24 hour period throughout the world.   In ancient times, the devils used to cause 'miracles' in pagan temples order to keep people ensnared in false worship, but their power was greatly reduced after Christ's crucifixion according to Bl Catherine Emmerich.  However, now that Satan is let loose again, we may see a sudden surge in these types of devilish wonders before the Days of Darkness.)
     
    • People will become INDIFFERENT, then APOSTASIES will grow, many will start from the CLERGY as they seperate themselves from the 'voice of authority' and spread LEVITY.  (See the ecstasy for Janury 4, 1884)

    • Our Lord and Our Lady also said that everyone will feel an INTERIOR WARNING before the Chastisements strike:  Our Lord (August 27, 1878) : “My children, some time before these sinister signs are sent onto the Earth, they will already feel in the heart the effect of My justice, it will be that the heart will say the time is not far away. But a grace of peace is reserved for faithful Christians, those who have not disregarded the warnings of Heaven and who will conform their their lives (to them).
    (NOTE: according to the published texts attributed to Marie-Julie Jahenny, there is NO mention of an 'Illumination of Conscience' event during any of the warnings.  Apparently, she never predicted such a thing.   
    Also, there is an indication from the prophecies of another mystic named Ven. Bernardo Maria Clausi (1787 - 1849) that we are NOT to pay attention to anyone who tries to go into details of such a universal, 'momentary' event / chastisement as God is reserving this secret for Himself and is NOT going to reveal it to anybody. We are not to pay attention to them he says.  Therefore, this is a new indication he gave on how to recognise a fake mystic during these troubling times.  Marie-Julie Jahenny warned Satan would send out many false mystics that it would be a like a swarm of flies released from Hell to distract people from the messages of true mystics.  CLICK HERE to see more on Ven. Bernardo's warning .)
    Thank you so much much for this, Cera.

    Of all the seers, I find Jahenny the best. When I look at prophecy, I look for clear references to the novus ordo; and I find this evidence only in Jahenny. Her visions indicate to me that the novus ordo will be overthrown and the Church will flower upon the earth in a manner far more glorious than the highest state reached by Europe. Her prophecies seem to align also with our Lady's apparitions. 

    I believe that the Miracle of the Sun is a sign that copernicanism (and all the errors that follow in its train) will ultimately be infallibly (ex cathedra) anathematized by the restored hierarchy, and universally rejected by the denizens of the earth. The overthrow of the entire satanic order is coming. I pray I live to see it. 

    In that Miracle, there is another interesting sign, which suggests purification by fire. When the sun came down upon the vast crowd, it miraculously cleansed, dried, and purified their wet and muddy garments. Hmmmm...........

    Anyone could dispute a "mass hypnosis/mass hallucination" event; but it would be impossible to fake the material cleansing of the clothing and bodies of over 70,000 souls. Hmmmm..............









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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #83 on: December 29, 2022, 01:38:22 AM »
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  • The problem I fear is that because of the books mentioned in this thread along with the prophecies in the Yves DuPont book and the Fatima shenanigans going on is that

    many good Catholics are convinced that there absolutely will be an era of peace, the Reign of Mary, before the arrival of the Antichrist.

    Many are convinced we are wrong to be on the lookout for the Antichrist.

    Well, we don't know the timeline for certain,

    but the powers that shouldn't be know all about Catholic prophecies and and have used them to mislead well meaning Catholics before.  Medjugorje is just one example

    They misuse Padre Pio and Faustina and many saints and mystics to deceive the elect.  (See the playlist posted above on the false attribution of the Three Days of Darkness prophecies to them)

    The plans for the nwo One World Religion

    (Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ/Theosophy/Noahide)

    are over a century old so planting seeds of false prophecies along the way to bring it about only makes sense.

    The Antichrist will appear as an angel of light so as to fool the elect and will usher in "an era of peace" (before sudden destruction).

    The Theosophists at the UN and the Freemasons can honestly say they want to lead everyone to join in saying prayers for the

    Coming of Christ
    Christ is King
    Jesus is King

    Mary, the Mother of Jesus is our WORLD MOTHER!

    World-Mother
    For the Theosophical journal see The World-Mother (periodical)




    That is the truth which lies behind the Roman Catholic doctrine of her Assumption; not that she was carried up into heaven among the Angels in her physical body, but that when she left that body she took her place among the Angels, and being presently appointed to the office of World-Mother she became very truly a queen among them, as the Church so poetically says. A great Deva needs no physical body; but while she holds her present office she will always appear to us in feminine form, as will those Adepts who have chosen to help her in her work.[10]

    https://theosophy.wiki/en/World-Mother#Mother_Mary

    Theosophy is the New Age religion of the United Nations and invokes many Catholic sounding ideas such as:

    Logos Rising
    Ascended Masters including
    St Germain
    St Francis of Assisi
    JP II
    Mother Theresa
    St Therese of Lisieux
    and many other saints.

    I've posted this elsewhere but if you haven't seen it, please take a moment to watch Michael Flynn lead the MAGA folks in a Luciferian "prayer" to St Michael the Archangel:

    2min 20sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/v1m94hzC06L2/


    You can see the large image of Jesus behind Elizabeth Clare Prophet.


    After WWIII and other calamities we know are coming our way, people will be desperate for peace and will be willing to make concessions to their Catholic Faith if a leader offers something that sounds

    CLOSE ENOUGH

    That is why we have to stay on our toes and call out all occasions of Ecuмanism, Indifferentism, Syncretism etc.

    even if the leader appears to be a wonderful Traditional Catholic prelate who says Latin Mass like Vigano and Benedict.
    Excellent points, Miser. Not only should we be looking out for antichrist, we should apprehend that we are already living in his kingdom. He has already conquered the whole world, albeit the man of sin has not yet appeared. But this does not of necessity preclude an intuitive sense that we are not yet at the end of the world, and that the Church Militant will flower again before the Second Coming. 

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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
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  • I had to stop my own researches on the subject, because I found multiple contradictions among the various seers. I also found that there are many prophecies that simply never came true. I tend not to gravitate to Catholic prophecy, as it seems to me to be a a slippery mess. But I do wholeheartedly subscribe to certain apparitions of the Blessed Lady. If the Church has approved Her apparition, then I give it tremendous weight, and use it as a guidestone for my thinking. Generally, I do not give much thought to the three days of darkness; but I have my blessed candles, just in case. LOL!



    Hi, Simeon. Merry Christmas and Happy holidays.

    You make a reasonable distinction by drawing a line at Church approved apparitions. But I ask, regarding for example Fatima, what has the Church approved? The apparition, yes. All of the testimony of Sister Lucia? Does the approval extend to everything that Sister Lucy said the Blessed Mother told her, some of it not even written down until many years later? I think of La Salette, a Church approved appearance of Our Lady, but what exactly is approved? I don't believe certain testimonies of Melanie are approved - e.g., "Rome shall lose the faith." 

    We have to be precise here, as I think truth requires at least one's best efforts at getting the facts straight first. What has the Church officially approved regarding Fatima? I don't know for sure, and ask.  The apparitions, the miracle apparently. Yet the written down (many years later) Third Secret hasn't even been revealed, putting aside the issue of whether the Church would adopt that part of the message - it hasn't. And it hasn't, for example, approved everything (anything?) of what at least one of the La Salette seers (Melanie) says about the appearance at La Salette. 



    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
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  • but as for looking out for "THE ANTICHRIST"

    we are warned in Sacred Scripture that there will be many

    wolves in sheep's clothing

    and many antichrists

    which will deceive the elect.

    Are we required to believe that all Catholic clergy (including traditional clergy) are suspect, in your opinion? You still haven't named any catholic clergy whom you believe to be legitimate. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
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  • Hi, Lad. Merry Christmas. I think I came off a bit irritable in my last post to you. Sorry - it was unjustified.

    I've seen Dupont's book. For the most part, it's a mass of Brother so and so said this, Blessed so and so said that, many of which can be taken to mean a number of things. And there's no attribution to the quotes; no reference to an original or even any source. Then there's things like this (p.22):

    Merry Christmas to you too.  Yes, I know that DuPont has a lot of "fluff" from less-than-credible sources, but you could eliminate half the book and still find the same trend and the same types of prophecies/predictions in the ones that remain and are credible.

    Of course, we have Our Lady at Fatima ... if you don't accept the Dimond interpretation of what "conversion" means, where Our Lady said that the consecration will be done and that Her Immaculate Heart will triumph and a "period of peace" will be granted to the world.  I don't find the Dimond view of this "conversion" as credible, nor do I believe that Pius XII properly performed the consecration according to Our Lady's wishes ... much less did Bergoglio do so.

    Between Fatima and a significant number actual credible prophecies that remain after excising the fluff from DuPont, I just can't come to any other conclusion.

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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #87 on: December 29, 2022, 11:46:08 AM »
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  • Merry Christmas to you too.  Yes, I know that DuPont has a lot of "fluff" from less-than-credible sources, but you could eliminate half the book and still find the same trend and the same types of prophecies/predictions in the ones that remain and are credible.

    Of course, we have Our Lady at Fatima ... if you don't accept the Dimond interpretation of what "conversion" means, where Our Lady said that the consecration will be done and that Her Immaculate Heart will triumph and a "period of peace" will be granted to the world.  I don't find the Dimond view of this "conversion" as credible, nor do I believe that Pius XII properly performed the consecration according to Our Lady's wishes ... much less did Bergoglio do so.

    Between Fatima and a significant number actual credible prophecies that remain after excising the fluff from DuPont, I just can't come to any other 

    Difference of opinion, and not as bad as that between the Thomists and Molinists on grace, so I guess we can manage to get along. :cowboy:
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #88 on: January 05, 2023, 11:01:28 AM »
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  • Hello Miser,

    I listened to this video, and found it somewhat lacking. There are many points about scriptural exegesis made by the author which I think can be disputed. It is proper for Catholics to search for meaning in Divine Revelation, in all times and circuмstances. Though we must give our assent to magisterial teaching and interpretations, we are free to consider things prayerfully when we are not bound to certain interpretations by legitimate authority.

    I know of no official and legitimate prohibition of the faithful subscribing to the notion of the three days of darkness, by the Church's hierarchical authority. Therefore I know of no reason why Catholics cannot surmise that such an event may occur in the future.

    I had to stop my own researches on the subject, because I found multiple contradictions among the various seers. I also found that there are many prophecies that simply never came true. I tend not to gravitate to Catholic prophecy, as it seems to me to be a a slippery mess. But I do wholeheartedly subscribe to certain apparitions of the Blessed Lady. If the Church has approved Her apparition, then I give it tremendous weight, and use it as a guidestone for my thinking. Generally, I do not give much thought to the three days of darkness; but I have my blessed candles, just in case. LOL!

    As for the coven's technological prowess, I am certain it is far less than they would have us imagine. I think their arts reach their summit in the poisoning and murdering department. If the three days of darkness does come upon this miserable world, it will be for the very purpose of taking out their multifarious grids. If it comes, it will be supernatural, and I'd like to believe that those in the state of grace will have certain lights and protections. If the coven tries to pull something off, simply light a blessed candle and stay in the house, as if it were a supernatural event. God will take care of the rest. 

    Hey Simeon,

    I got sidetracked and didn't get back to you on this. :P

    A good priest talked me down from focusing too much on prophecies and apparitions some years ago so I can relate and I too believe in the approved apparitions.

    I'm not sure what to make of the three days.  The playlist went through why many of the stories have been faked but I too have my blessed beeswax candle just to be on the safe side. :)

    The tradcasters really push the three days of darkness so I'm a bit skeptical because they have also been pushing Bennyvacantism and obfuscating his outright apostasy which would take very little research (like reading his book) to uncover.

    As for "the coven's technological prowess" as you put it (you have a lovely way with words :)  ) do you have any theories on how they are able to convince 100's of thousands of pilgrims for 30 years now at Medjugorje that the sun is blinking and dancing about in the sky. :confused:
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Question Re: Kramer's Book Of Destiny
    « Reply #89 on: January 05, 2023, 02:34:59 PM »
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  • Regarding the Three Days of Darkness, the CMRI's Fr. Timothy Geckle posted this on Facebook earlier this year:


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    I have heard a number of references over the years - and several quite recently - to the alleged prophecy regarding the 3 days of darkness.
    This is an answer to my question about the topic from one of our priests who did a good amount of research on the topic.

    "To answer your question about the three days of darkness, I have not written an article on the subject but have done research into it some years ago. The gist of it is that I don't believe it is a true prophecy for two reasons: 

    1) the content is doctrinally suspect and has marks of false revelation
    2) there is no authentic source for the claim that any saint or mystic prophesied this. 

    The most common "authority" for the prophecy is Bl. Anna Maria Taigi. She is quoted all over the internet with a lengthy "exact" quote detailing the three days of darkness. However, no one gives the source of this claim. I tracked it down and it comes from a French book that was a notorious collection of false prophecies many of which have failed to come true since the book was published in the 1800's. Even though the words are quoted as coming directly from Bl. Anna Maria they do not. Actually they are words that someone claimed they heard from someone else who claimed they heard them from her; obviously not a reliable source. In any case, they made their way into a couple of books in English on the subject of prophecy published by TAN and others after Vatican II. At least one of those books specifically mentions the French source in the bibliography so I cannot excuse the author of deliberate deception since he leaves off the portion of the prophecy where she says the three days would happen during the reign of Pius IX and that during the next pope the whole world would be converted. None of that came true, of course, so the English author simply left it out but published the rest of the supposed prophecy and now that portion of it is all over the internet. That is not to say anything against Bl. Anna Maria who obviously led a holy life in the mind of the Church; it is simply saying that this prophecy has nothing to do with her. She did have some prophecies as Pius XI somewhere notes but he noted that they are in the archives of the Sacred Congregation of the Sacraments for judgment if I recall. Aside from the info I provided below from a previous email, here is a link to a very interesting book by Fr. Thurston on various false prophecies and their origins; the full "quote" on the three days is found in this book on page 5 to which this link will open:

    https://archive.org/details/warprophetsnotes00thuruoft/page/5

    Incidentally, some have accused Fr. Thurston of being liberal leaning due to a 1960's edition of his Butler's Lives of the Saints in which a footnote disparages St. Philomena. That footnote was not his as the edition was published after his death with editorial changes while still keeping his name. He died long before the 1961 "decree" under John XXIII which essentially decanonized St. Philomena as noted in the footnote. So obviously he could not have written that note. I will say that Fr. Thurston was probably leaned more to skepticism on mystical phenomena, however, and probably was too inclined to attribute some things to natural cause. However I think that is better than the opposite fault of being deceived into believing every person who claims to have mystical phenomena which are often merely the result of imagination and sometimes mental disease."




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