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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Question on NO consecration of host
« on: July 20, 2023, 08:39:51 AM »
I've always wondered at what moment the consecration actually occurs. Looking through mhfm today I noticed this question/answer.


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that by not intending to use the Church's form for the consecration of the wine the person has a defect of intention,
This answer by mhfm is interesting to me. Because wouldn't the NO priests assume they are using the form of the Church? I.e They would believe that the new form was the form of the Church.


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Offline TKGS

Re: Question on NO consecration of host
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2023, 02:30:20 PM »
Is believing you are doing the will of God (i.e., the Church) sufficient?  Doesn't Christ answer this question when he says, "They will put you out of the ѕуηαgσgυєs: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God. And these things will they do to you; because they have not known the Father, nor me."  (John 16:2-3).  And just prior to this statement, He tells you that he is saying this so you won't be scandalized.

I have often told people just what these folks say above.  
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Offline Marulus Fidelis

Re: Question on NO consecration of host
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2023, 04:53:37 PM »
That's really weird. Br. Peter has a whole debate where against Albrecht where he debunks that "This is my body" is enough for validity. MHFM always attacks the form, first time I heard anything about the intention from them. Is this something old?
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Question on NO consecration of host
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2023, 11:19:10 PM »
Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on July 20, 2023, 04:53:37 PM
That's really weird. Br. Peter has a whole debate where against Albrecht where he debunks that "This is my body" is enough for validity. MHFM always attacks the form, first time I heard anything about the intention from them. Is this something old?
This is from the e section of his website. It's very recent.
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Offline Marulus Fidelis

Re: Question on NO consecration of host
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2023, 02:12:12 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on July 20, 2023, 11:19:10 PM
This is from the e section of his website. It's very recent.
Oh, I think I understand now. If the form for the wine is incorrect that invalidates the consecration of the host as well, the question is in what way. MHFM seems to be answering in what way that happens. I'm not sure if they're speculating or have some sources on that.
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