It would be interesting to hear from someone who holds this position (Ladislaus?).  I do not, but I *think* the idea is that these men are not popes, but I may (still) be confused about that.  Also, I'm not sure that the portion of the Council that you highlighted applies.  Perhaps DesLauriers' (or Bishop Sanborn's) writings on the CT address it?

This quote has nothing to do with CT.

Why don't you start by explaining why you think that it contradicts CT.

This is a dogmatic teaching regarding the nature of papal authority vs. the errors of the Orthodox and other schismatics.  If anything it goes against R&R.

CT merely states that the person has been duly elected (received the designation of the Church) but has an impediment to exercising the authority formally.  

This quote has nothing to do with CT.

Why don't you start by explaining why you think that it contradicts CT.

This is a dogmatic teaching regarding the nature of papal authority vs. the errors of the Orthodox and other schismatics.  If anything it goes against R&R.

CT merely states that the person has been duly elected (received the designation of the Church) but has an impediment to exercising the authority formally.  

“This quote has nothing to do with CT.

Why don't you start by explaining why you think that it contradicts CT.“

I think it's self explanatory if one is to believe he (Bergoglio) is a true pope.

“ This is a dogmatic teaching regarding the nature of papal authority vs. the errors of the Orthodox and other schismatics.  If anything it goes against R&R.”

I absolutely agree with you.

“ CT merely states that the person has been duly elected (received the designation of the Church) but has an impediment to exercising the authority formally. “

Fair enough, that’s an adequate answer to my question. So basically, you and others who hold the thesis suggest that he is in no way a true or real pope, just a place holder?  

Why would someone downvote you for this post?

Because I suspect a particular member who comes back over and over again goes out of his way to downvote my posts.  I've gotten used to it.

I think it's self explanatory if one is to believe he (Bergoglio) is a true pope.

Well, here's the cause of your confusion, the equivocal use of the expression "true pope".

According to CT, Bergoglio is not a true pope, but more in the state of a pope-elect who never took on the office due to an impediment.  Bergoglio cannot exercise papal authority.  Bergoglio is not a pope in re, in actuality or in reality, but merely a pope in potentia ... in potency.

It's very similar to the state of a newly-elected U.S. President in the month of December right after a November election.  Is he a "true" President?  Well, he's been elected, but he has no authority.  Same thing applies to Bergoglio.

I didn't think there was anything wrong with your question, QVD.  Lad's response came off quite defensive.  

No, I wasn't being defensive.  I just don't see how CT contradicts the quotation ... so, rather than speculate, I was asking that Quo first articulate what he perceives to be the point of contradiction.

[PS -- I did not downthumb anything.]

I've been rather busy lately, so my responses are much shorter than usual.

Well, here's the cause of your confusion, the equivocal use of the expression "true pope".

According to CT, Bergoglio is not a true pope, but more in the state of a pope-elect who never took on the office due to an impediment.  Bergoglio cannot exercise papal authority.  Bergoglio is not a pope in re, in actuality or in reality, but merely a pope in potentia ... in potency.

It's very similar to the state of a newly-elected U.S. President in the month of December right after a November election.  Is he a "true" President?  Well, he's been elected, but he has no authority.  Same thing applies to Bergoglio.

I appreciate all of your answers and I don’t reject the thesis outright. It seems to me that the only issue it resolves is the ability for the Church to obtain a true pope. I don’t see it as an answer to the issue of a visible magisterium. Can you tell me what other problems, if any, it resolves?