Author Topic: Question For Sedevacantists ONLY (Read 3319 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2010, 05:54:01 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Ladislaus, do you or anyone else know the name of the late encyclical or address of Pius XII where he "decreed" that even if all the Cardinals are heretics they can still elect a valid Pope? If you accept Pius XII as Pope, this will create big problems for you. For me it is just another strike against him, showing that even during his pontificate, he was already establishing bulwarks to protect the future usurpers.

No, I don't know the encyclical you mention.

That's where "sedeprivationism" might hold the key. They do hold that the jurisdiction could pass on materially even through formal heretics.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #11 on:** April 05, 2010, 11:25:26 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Well, there are in fact actually a small handful of Pius XII bishops still around.

Where?!

SJB · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2010, 11:29:56 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

The simple answer is that they have "supplied jurisdiction" as opposed to ordinary jurisdiction. This essentially means that "in an emergency we can break the rules" i.e. epikeia. So we are waiting for our confessions and marriages to become valid in the future, on the presumption that the future Pope will retroactively give jurisdiction to the sedevacantist clergy.

We are speaking of ordinary jurisdiction here. Supplied jurisdiction is not ordinary by definition.

Alexandria · « **Reply #13 on:** April 06, 2010, 11:51:40 AM »

What's "sedeprivationism"?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #14 on:** April 06, 2010, 12:01:17 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedeprivationism