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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Question for Ladislaus
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2021, 01:19:36 PM »
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    God doesn't appoint cowards to lead His Church. 
    ??  So every pope in history has been a heroic saint?


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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #16 on: April 21, 2021, 01:19:54 PM »
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  • God doesn't appoint cowards to lead His Church. In essence, the Siri theory postulates that a coward pope goes in hiding at the expense of millions (perhaps billions) of souls that perish to eternal hell. The one day the "pope in red" will save the Church. It's akin to the Q-tard theory that is designed to pacify millions of ραƚɾισts into doing nothing because some hidden benevolent entity in government will save America and jail the Deep State. The Siri theory tells Catholics to do nothing (but still think they're doing something) because the "pope in red" will arise and save the Church.
    The is no way to know to know for sure if Siri acted cowardly considering the multiple scenarios that could have taken place, this is not to say that he was or wasn't correct in his actions  and/or possibly cowardly as you say. But considering the volumes of information on bad Popes, anti-Popes, Popes guilty of a myriad of untoward things, I beg to differ that cowardess among other weaknesses have deterred anyone  from elevation to the Papacy as long as it was a valid election. A true Pope would have the Grace of the Office bestowed upon him despite his human inadequacies for the sake of the Church.
    I know nothing about the Pope in red ( Is that Q? lol) maybe it's the orange man.


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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #17 on: April 21, 2021, 01:21:45 PM »
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  • Right.  This is actually one of the principles cited by the sedeprivationists, a distinction between a pope-elect and a pope.  If a priest were elected, he could IMO exercise some of the duties of the Papacy that require only the clerical state (such as making appointments) but could not teach.  If a layman were elected, then IMO he couldn't even legitimately make appointments.  But this is just an opinion.  Certainly, however, a priest who's elected could not exercise the TEACHING office of the papacy, since only bishops are part of the Ecclesia Docens, until he were consecrated.  I believe that Canonists hold that if a non-bishop were elected and then refused consecration to the episcopacy, they would thereby tacitly resign the office as well, demonstrating the intention to not really accept the papacy.
    One question here: does the College of Cardinals elect the Pope, or do they elect the Bishop of Rome, who is ex officio the Pope?  In other words, if a simple priest were elected, how would he have authority to do anything proper to the office of Bishop of Rome without being first consecrated a bishop?  It seems to me that it would be a case of "we've elected you, but until you're consecrated as a bishop, you have no authority to do the things that a bishop does, or that the Pope does".  Unless I'm missing something, priests who are installed as Bishop of Diocese X don't start governing the diocese until they are actually consecrated.

    I know, it's almost a nitpick.

    I think it's a fair bet that Guiseppe Cardinal Siri was indeed elected Pope, and that the white smoke indicated this, but that "something happened" to undo this inside the conclave.  What that "something" was, we may never know.

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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #18 on: April 21, 2021, 01:39:47 PM »
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  • Not to mention...is there any evidence that he took issue with the teachings of Vatican II?
    For those who love the Truth, our personal preferences have no bearing.
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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #19 on: April 21, 2021, 01:44:41 PM »
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  • For those who love the Truth, our personal preferences have no bearing.
    What does that mean in relation to my post?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #20 on: April 21, 2021, 01:49:00 PM »
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  • What does that mean in relation to my post?
    It means if the facts show that Siri was Pope Gregory, he was the Pope. Whether or not he was permitted to publicly express any public opinion, and whether or not he publicly opposed the teachings of Vatican II has no bearing.
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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #21 on: April 21, 2021, 01:51:33 PM »
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  • Pope Gregory Hostage Pope
    Roman Pontiff. Elected 261st Successor of St. Peter, choosing name Gregorius XVII, October 26th, 1958 Rome. (Chose the name Gregorius in honor of Pope St. Gregorius VII.)
       Significant Papal Action(s). Created Cardinals (which included designation of a Camerlengo) to carry on mission of Church (Hierarchy) 1988. Formulated 'Continuance of Papacy Plan' 1988 to 1989 with Papal directive to *elect His successor promptly were he to die in unforeseen manner (*this occurred).
    Death. While in exile, May 2, 1989 Villa Campostano, Albaro, Italy.
        Cardinal Giuseppe Siri of Genoa, Italy was elected Pope on October 26, 1958 A.D. He chose the name Gregorius XVII.
    Put under a docuмented constant death threat (duress) for more than 30 years: His Holiness, through Divine Providence, was able to create Cardinals (which included designating a Camerlengo) to carry on the mission of the Church (Hierarchy) in 1988. Pope Gregory XVII formulated a 'Continuance of Papacy Plan' from 1988 to 1989 with a Papal directive to His faithful Cardinals to *elect His successor promptly were he to die in an unforseen manner (*this occurred). His Holiness Gregory XVII died in exile on May 2, 1989 A.D.

    Precisions on the Great Disaster (from Catholic Prophecy by Yves Dupont)

    Matt. 24:39: "And they did not understand until the flood came and swept them all away."

    "...The Church is persecuted; the Pope leaves Rome and dies in exile; an anti-pope is installed in Rome; the Catholic Church is split, leaderless and completely disorganized..."

    7. Pius IX: "There will be a great prodigy which will fill the world with awe. But this prodigy will be preceded by the triumph of a ʀɛʋօʟutιօn during which the Church will go through ordeals that are beyond description."


    Predicted Gregory XVII
    St. Malachy: famous for his predictions of the names/list of Popes from his time, until the end of the world

    18. From St. Malachy: De Mediatate Lunae ("From the Midst of the Moon", often translated, "From the Half of the Moon"). The biblical symbolism of the "moon" is "the worldly kingdom" or the temporal order." This Pope may therefore be elected from the midst of cardinals who are mainly influenced by worldly ideas (social gospel, etc.), or he may be elected at a time when the forces of Satan (the "Prince of this World") have virtual control of the entire earth via their secret government, possibly even influencing the papal ɛƖɛctıon, so that an agent of the world antichrist government is elected Pope."

    De Labore Solis ("Of the Labor of the Sun"): This is the same symbol of that of Apocalypse 12:1-5, of a woman clothed with the sun in labor to give birth to a son, who subsequently rules the earth with "a rod of iron." H.B. Kramer, interpreting the Apocalypse in his Book of Destiny, maintains this figure represents a highly disputed papal ɛƖɛctıon (dispute = labor; woman = Church; sun = light of divine truth).

    21. St. Pius X: "I saw one of my successors taking to flight over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in disguise somewhere; and after a short retirement he will die a cruel death."

    22. Pius XII: "We believe that the present hour is a dread phase of the events foretold by Christ. It seems that darkness is about to fall on the world. Humanity is in the grip of a supreme crisis."

    27. Old German Prophecy: "...The doctrine will be perverted, and they will try to overthrow the Catholic Church..."

    33. Nicolas of Fluh: "The Church will be punished because the majority of her members, high and low, will become so perverted. The Church will sink deeper and deeper until she will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this, she will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters."

    46.2. Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauser (17th century): "The fifth period is one of affliction, desolation, humiliation, and poverty for the Church. Jesus Christ will purify His people through cruel wars, famines, plague epidemics, and other horrible calamities. He will also afflict and weaken the Latin Church with many heresies. It is a period of defection, calamities and extermination..."

    46.3. "During this period the Wisdom of God guides the Church in several ways: 1) by chastising the Church so that riches may not corrupt her completely; 2) by interposing the Council of Trent like a light in the darkness, so that the Christians who see the light may know what to believe, 3) by setting St. Ignatius and his Society in opposition to Luther and other heretics; 4) by carrying to remote lands the Faith which has been banned in most of Europe."

    46.6 "During this unhappy period, there will be laxity in divine and human precepts. Discipline will suffer. The Holy Canons will be completely disregarded, and the Clergy will not respect the laws of the Church. Everyone will be carried away and led to believe and to do what he fancies, according to the manner of the flesh."

    46.7 "They will ridicule Christian simplicity; they will call it folly and nonsense, but they will have the highest regard for advanced knowledge, and for the skill by which the axioms of the law, the precepts of morality, the Holy Canons and religious dogmas are clouded by senseless questions and elaborate arguments. As a result, no principle at all, however holy, authentic, ancient, and certain it may be, will remain free of censure, criticism, false interpretation, modification, and delimitation by man."

    46.8 "These are evil times, a century full of dangers and calamities. Heresy is everywhere, and the followers of heresy are in power almost everywhere. Bishops, prelates, and priests say that they are doing their duty, that they are vigilant, and that they live as befits their state in life. In like manner, therefore, they all seek excuses. But God will permit a great evil against His Church: Heretics and tyrants will come suddenly and unexpectedly; they will break into the Church while bishops, prelates and priests are asleep. They will enter Italy and lay Rome waste; they will burn down the churches and destroy everything."

    51.1 (Nursing Nun of Bellay, 1810-1830): "Once again the madmen seem to gain the upper hand! They laugh God to scorn. Now, the churches are closed; the pastors run away; the Holy Sacrifice ceases."

    51.2 "Woe to thee, corrupt city! the wicked try to destroy everything; their books and their doctrines are swamping the world. But the day of justice is come..."

    52.2 (Jeanne le Royer, Sister of the Nativity): "I saw a great power rise up against the Church. It plundered, devastated, and threw into confusion and disorder the vine of the Lord, having it trampled underfoot by the people and holding it up to ridicule by all nations. Having vilified celibacy and oppressed the priesthood, it had the effrontery to confiscate the Church's property, and to arrogate to itself the powers of the Holy Father, whose person and whose laws it held in contempt."


    Ven. Anna-Katrina Emmerick spoke about Pope Gregory XVII
    Ven. Anna-Katrina Emmerick prophesied about a True Pope and a False (Anti) Pope

    53.1 (Ven. Anna-Katrina Emmerick): "I saw also the relationship between the two popes. . . I saw how baleful would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city of Rome). The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness..."

    53.2 "Once more I saw that the Church of Peter was undermined by a plan evolved by the secret sect, while storms were damaging it."

    Comment: Many prophecies predict an anti-pope and a schism.

    53.3 "I saw a strange church being built against every rule. . . No angels were supervising the building operations. In that church, nothing came from high above. . . There was only division and chaos. It is probably a church of human creation, following the latest fashion, as well as the new heterodox church of Rome, which seems of the same kind..."

    53.4 "I saw again the strange big church that was being built there (in Rome). There was nothing holy in it. I saw this just as I saw a movement led by Ecclesiastics to which contributed angels, saints and other Christians. But there (in the strange big church) all the work was being done mechanically (i.e., according to set rules and formulae). Everything was being done, according to human reason..."

    53.5 "I saw all sorts of people, things, doctrines, and opinions. There was something proud, presumptuous, and violent about it, and they seemed to be very successful. I did not see a single Angel nor a single saint helping in the work. But far away in the background, I saw the seat of a cruel people armed with spears, and I saw a laughing figure which said: 'Do build it as solid as you can; we will put it to the ground.'"

    Comment: Two different churches seem to be indicated in this passage. First, a puppet church set up by the Communists, and a "strange church" comprising "all sorts of people and doctrines" (perhaps in the name of Ecuмenism), which will follow modern trends. This church is "unholy and humanistic," but it is not Communist inspired, otherwise the Communists would not want to pull it to the ground. This church is either the true Catholic Church after it has bee completely subverted from within, or it is a new church claiming to be the true Catholic Church, if two popes are elected at the same time. Some prophecies seem to warrant the inference that the true Catholic Church will disappear completely for a while as an organization, but, although disorganized, it will survive in the persons of the faithful members of the clergy and laity who will go underground.

    53.21 "Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities. A few had only a body, with a dark cloud of fog instead of a head. Others had only a head, their bodies and hearts were like thick vapors. Some were lame; others were paralytics; others were asleep or staggering."

    53.23 "Then, I saw that everything that pertained to Protestantism was gradually gaining the upper hand, and the Catholic religion fell into complete decadence. Most priests were lured by the glittering but false knowledge of young school-teachers, and they all contributed to the work of destruction."


    abomination
    A Vatican II Sect Altar
    "And we ourselves experience this, that when we enter ornate and clean Basilicas, adorned with crosses, sacred images, altars, and burning lamps, we most easily conceive devotion. But, on the other hand, when we enter the temples of the heretics, where there is nothing except a chair for preaching and a wooden table for making a meal, we feel ourselves to be entering a profane hall and not the house of God."
    (-St. Robert Bellarmine, Octava Controversia Generalis, liber II, Controversia Quinta, caput xxxi.)

    Comment: 6 non-Catholic ministers were invited to Vatican 2 in order to "help" in the changes of the Liturgy, break down the altars, place the tabernacle elsewhere, and set up a Cranmer table.

    53.24 "In thence days, Faith will fall very low, and it will be preserved in some places only, in a few cottages and in a few families which God has protected from disasters and wars."

    53.25 "I see many excommunicated ecclesiastics who do not seem to be concerned about it, nor even aware of it. Yet, they are (ipso factor) excommunicated whenever they cooperated to [sic] enterprises, enter into associations, and embrace opinions on which an anathema has been cast. It can be seen thereby that God ratifies the decrees, orders, and interdictions issued by the Head of the Church, and that He keeps them in force even though men show no concern for them, reject them, or laugh them to scorn."

    53.30 "I saw that many pastors allowed themselves to be taken up with ideas that were dangerous to the Church. They were building a great, strange, and extravagant Church. Everyone was to be admitted in it in order to be united and have equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics [Ecclesia dei and Lefebvre?], sects of every description. Such was to be the new Church. . . But God had other designs."


    1500 Year Old Prophecy Fulfilled
    1500 Year Old Prophecy Fulfilled by Antipope Paul VI

    55. The Prophecy of Premol (5th century): "...And I see the King of Rome with his Cross and his tiara, shaking the dust off his shoes, and hastening in his flight to other shores. Thy Church, O Lord, is ton apart by her own children. One camp is faithful to the fleeing Pontiff, the other is subject to the new government of Rome which has broken the Tiara. But Almighty God will, in His mercy, put an end to this confusion and a new age will begin. Then, said the Spirit, this is the beginning of the End of Time."

    Comment: From this prophecy, it is clear that the true Church will be faithful to the Pope in exile; whereas, the new Pope in Rome will be, in fact, an anti-pope. But, since a number of other prophecies tell us that the true Pope will die in his exile, it follows then that the true Church will be leaderless for some time. Then, it is not difficult to anticipate what the anti-pope and renegade "hierarchy" and clergy will say: "See, you so-called Pope is dead; and who can give you a new Pope now? Our cardinals have already elected the new Pope, he is here in Rome." And, indeed, since the true Church will be completely disorganized, and the faithful Cardinals isolated, no new true Pope could be elected, and thus a large number of Catholics will be misled into accepting the leadership of the anti-pope.

    Such a schism could not happen if the Pope followed A. C. Emmerick's advice: "to stay in Rome". "But", she said, "the Pope is still attached to the things of the earth." And, as is said elsewhere, "He will want to save what he thinks can be saved." In other words, the true Pope, whoever he is at that time, will use his human judgment and leave Rome, instead of remaining firm in the face of the invaders.)

    84. St. Thomas' Apocalypse -- Apocrypha (1st century): "Every man shall speak that which pleaseth him, and my priests shall not have peace among themselves but shall sacrifice unto me with deceitful minds. Then shall the priests behold the people departing from the House of the Lord and turning unto the world. The House of the Lord shall be desolate and her altars will be abhorred. The place of holiness shall be corrupted, and the priesthood polluted."

    85. Holzhauser (17th century): "The Great Monarch will come when the Latin Church is desolated, humiliated, and afflicted with many heresies..."

    86. B. Rembordt (18th century): "These things will come when they try to set up a new kingdom of Christ from which the true faith will be banished."

    87. Oba Prophecy: "It will come when the Church authorities issue directives to promote a new cult, when priests are forbidden to celebrate in any other, when the higher positions in the Church are given to perjurers and hypocrites, when only the renegades are admitted to occupy those positions."

    88. Ven. Anna-Kartarina Emmerick (19th Century): "I saw again the new and odd-looking Church which they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it... People were kneading bread in the crypt below... but it would not rise, nor did they receive the body of Our Lord, but only bread. Those who were in error, through no fault of their own, and who piously and ardently longed for the Body of Jesus were spiritually consoled, but not by their communion. Then, my Guide [Jesus] said: 'THIS IS BABEL.' [The Mass in many languages]." (This prophecy was made circa 1820 by Anna Katarina Emmerick, a stigmatized Augustinian nun and is recorded in The Life of Anne Catherine Emmerich by Rev. Carl E. Schmoeger, C.SS.R.)

    Comment: The New Missal is an ominous sign of the destruction to come, and these dire forebodings are in complete accord with what the prophecies say, and which can be paraphrased thus: "They wanted to make a new Church, a Church of human manufacture, but God had other designs. The false Church shall be destroyed, and the enemy shall overcome Rome. The pastors shall be scattered, persecuted, tortured, and murdered. The Holy Father shall have to leave Rome, and he shall die a cruel death. An anti-pope shall be set up in Rome."

    ...In the 15th century, the Church's great sin was immorality, but Faith was alive. Then came the Reformation, and the wars of religion. Today, however, the Church's sin is even greater because it is a sin against the first of the cardinal virtues, namely Faith. The punish must needs be commensurate. The latest and most significant contribution to the process leading up to this is the New Missal, a pre-heretical [sic] rite, which has made the Mass as changeable as the passing fashions of the world.

    __________________________

    Cardinal Siri

    The Pope in Red
    "Cardinal Siri" (The Pope in Red)

    At the 1958 conclave Siri was only 50 years old, and was the most popular cleric in Italy. At 22 he was a priest and at 37 he was a bishop. During the war, he organized soup kitchens for the poor. He was a master of labor-management problems, it having been said that he had settled more disputes, without strikes, than any other man in Italy. 1

    Cardinal Siri was born 400 years to the date after Christopher Columbus died (May 20, 1506) on May 20, 1906.

    He was bishop of Genoa for 41 years. Was credited with persuading the retreating German forces in World War II not to blow up the port.


    Being made a Cardinal
    Cardinal Siri pictured receiving the red biretta from Pope Pius XII
    (Rome, January 12th, 1953 A.D., Feast of Pope St. Fabien, Martyr)

    He was Pius XII's chosen successor.

    Expired on 2 May 1989 (Feast of Saint Athanasias) while saying "Tibi Domine", Thine, Lord.

    In 1967 he declared that for him the Council was "difficult labor and a very great suffering."

    Upon his advice Pope Pius XII halted the worker-priest movement, used all of his influence in realizing the famous "Monitum" of the Holy Office against Teilhard de Chardin, and forced John XXIII to promulgate it. Radically opposed to Evolutionism. Because of his spectacular intervention Paul VI renounced at the last minute his intention to integrate "Synodal Fathers" into the Sacred College, as electors of the Conclave. Forbade his seminarians from visiting Taize. 1988 - "Aids is a chastisement from God." For Siri the major Evil has been the abolition of Hope, the transmutation of the Saving Mission of the Church into material Messianism, the primary sign of which is the "cօռspιʀαcʏ of silence on the Last Times."


    Cardinal Siri
    Monsignor Siri
    At the end of World War II, Monsignor Siri meets with officials of the Allied Forces at the Tursi Palace in Genoa.
    He saved the city from destruction by persuading the retreating German Army not to blow up the port.

    "In the pontificate of Pius XII Siri had been a prodigy, becoming bishop in 1944 and cardinal in 1953. He was said to have been Pius' designated successor, and fought a rude battle with Roncalli in the 1958 conclave....

    Cardinal Siri did not like Pope John XXIII. He once said that 'it will take the Church fifty years to recover from his pontificate.' He did not like Pope Paul VI, who completed the Council, an event described by Siri as 'the greatest disaster in recent ecclesiastical history' (and by 'recent' he meant in the last five hundred years). Not surpassingly, therefore, the Council was implemented in Genoa with foot-dragging slowness. Altars did not face the people. Evening Masses were discouraged. Women in trousers were denounced."2


    Pope in Exile
    "Siri" was rabidly anti-Communist, an intransigent traditionalist in matters of church doctrine.
    "I am the most relentless enemy of ƈσmmυɳιsm because it destroys man, destroys the economy, destroys everything. ... I remember going to Pius XII once, and I saw on his desk, otherwise perfectly empty, two books: one was on collegiality. He asked me what I thought about it: 'Holiness, throw it out. I read it and there is nothing good in it.' ... And there are those who define Rahner as 'the number one theologian.' But I smell errors from far away; it is a matter of sniffing." -Quotes from "Cardinal Siri" (30 Days Magazine January 17, 1985 A.D.)

    He termed Vatican II "the greatest mistake in history"3 From the book, The Unelected Pope; Giuseppe Siri, Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church (1993), by Benny Lai, pp. 296-297, from the last recorded conversation with Cardinal Siri. The numbered items are from the book, the comments from Sangre de Cristo Newsnotes.

    1. "On September 18, 1988, Cardinal Siri concluded his last recorded conversation with the author by saying: 'A Pope just barely elected (save by a miracle, and the Lord never does useless miracles) - so what does he know, this poor man, of this duty which faces him?"

    An admission of Siri's ɛƖɛctıon. Siri did attempt to publicize his ɛƖɛctıon, but the media refused to print it as the media was already under control of the Freemasons.


    Gregory
    "Cardinal Siri" (a.k.a. Gregory XVII) giving the Benediction (Genoa, Italy)

    2. 'It is necessary for him to be integrated into his new position. The question which defines and completes a pontificate is the choice of the Secretary of State because he is the one who must educate the Pope.'

    This statement was made only three months after Siri had reportedly appointed *Monsignor Carlo Taramasso, of Santa Marinella (near Rome) as one of his cardinals (*he was made a Cardinal in June, 1988 -Webmaster), who would become his chief confidant and advisor, until 16 March 1989, when Taramasso suddenly and mysteriously died, ten weeks after a visit from the infamous "Cardinal" Casaroli of the Vatican.

    3. 'Not all Popes become such after having been through the school to become one.'

    Notice, he does not say, "Not everyone becomes a Pope after having gone through the school to become one," but, "Not all Popes become such..." This could be interpreted to mean that not every Pope is allowed to function as a Pope even after the process of his having been made Pope.

    4. 'The schooling, even without his wanting it, occurs before the ɛƖɛctıon, during which time, the position, his adequacy for the position, and his faithfulness to the position are properly combined.'

    There is mounting evidence, some of which can be gleaned from the book, "The Unelected Pope," that Siri was being prepared by what he thought was training for the papacy (when he was first contacted in Genoa, in the mid-1950s, by Soviet diplomats to be an intermediary between them and Pius XII), but which was in reality a process of intimidation and entrapment in order to set him up to be elected Pope at a future conclave, only to be forced to relinquish the public exercise of his office, by the threat of a monstrous, bloody persecution of the faithful in Eastern Europe, and by the threat of schism by the French hierarchy who, from the start of the conclave, promoted his candidature to the other cardinals in order to carry out their devilish plan. They also threatened the setting off of a hydrogen bσɱb to destroy the Vatican and its officials. Under the cover of conclave secrecy the blackmail was delivered to the "barely elected" and stunned, new Pope by France's Cardinal Tisserant, who was an agent of the B'nai B'rith, the тαℓмυdic master-lodge of the Masonic and Marxist world powers. Before the end of his life, Siri began to acknowledge and lament openly, as these cryptic passages suggest, his inability to fulfill the duties of his office as Pope, during the ordeal of his 30 year long exile.


    Nuclear Terrorism
    The Church's enemies evil agenda was to force "Siri" (a.k.a. Pope Gregory XVII)
    to relinquish the public exercise of His office, by any means possible.

    On pages 607 to 609 of his book, "The Keys Of This Blood," Malachi Martin, perennial insider and eye-witness to the '63 Conclave, admits that Siri was elected Pope (again) in 1963, but that his ɛƖɛctıon was "set aside" because of an outside "communication" (interference) by an "internationally based organization", regarding a "grave matter of [Vatican] state security." He then tries to justify outside interference of the conclave if it is conducted "by authorized persons" or if "the very existence of the Vatican City-State or its members or dependents" were at stake.


    Pope Gregory XVII
    A Repentent Pope

    5. 'I say this because I have great remorse.'

    Why would Siri have "great remorse", other than for allowing the Church to be nearly destroyed by his failure to assert publicly his rightful claim to office for 30 years?

    6. 'I have faith in the forgiveness of the Lord and, therefore, I am calm.'

    Forgiveness only comes after a firm purpose of amendment from the wrong path we had previously followed. Therefore, Siri must be saying that he had finally taken steps to reverse the tragic course he had taken since 1958, by now defending the Church and her highest office by providing for a valid successor to the papacy.

    7. 'In the first two conclaves in which I participated, my candidature was presented by an influential Cardinal. He, himself, told me that all the French were behind him.'


    Cardinal Tisserant
    Fifth Column Infiltrator (Cardinal Tisserant)

    This is undoubtedly Cardinal Tisserant, Dean of the College of Cardinals, who controlled the block of six French Cardinals, and promoted a unanimous vote for Siri to get him elected, only to announce immediately that he was "annulling" Monsignor Siri's ɛƖɛctıon, supposedly to prevent the assassination of the Iron Curtain Bishops which he declared would occur as a reprisal by the Soviets against the Church, for electing an anti-Communist Pope. That such an occurrence actually happened was verified by former Vatican official, Father Jean- Marie Char-Roux on 14 July 1993, in London, England.

    8. 'Then others joined the French. The Germans vacillated, then, at some point gave way and joined the rest.'

    Here Siri reveals for the first time, his unanimous ɛƖɛctıon as Pope, when finally, the German cardinals "joined the rest" and voted for him on the fourth ballot, at 6 P.M., 26 October, 1958.

    9. 'I said no, and if you elect me I will say no.'

    Siri did indeed refuse to accept office following the first three ballots, when there was less than an unanimous vote in his favor, and he even attempted to dissuade the cardinals by predicting that he would continue to refuse if they tried to elect him again.

    10. 'I have made a mistake, I understand it today.'

    But Siri was mistaken on three counts: first, on moral principles, by declaring to the cardinals his unqualified intention to refuse office beforehand, should they later make him Pope-elect. True, it is the prerogative of every cardinal to refuse ɛƖɛctıon to the Papal Office, but this right is not absolute. Cardinal Albini in the 1700 conclave refused the pontificate even when the electors had achieved virtual unanimity in his favor, but was persuaded by the theologians that he could not rightful refuse the office to which he was unanimously, or nearly unanimously elected, for he would then be rejecting the unmistakable Will of the Holy Ghost. Ever since then, this has been an accepted principle in Papal ɛƖɛctıons. Siri, of course, knew this, and was thus also incorrect in his prediction that he would not accept the pontificate, for by the fourth ballot, when all the cardinals had cast their votes for him, he was morally obliged to acquiesce to their wishes.

    Cardinal Siri was Elected
    White Smoke Bellowing from the Chimney of the Sistine Chapel October 26, 1958
    Siri was the youngest cardinal in the Church when appointed by Pius XII at the age of 47 in 1953.
    When Giovanni Battista Montini fell from Pius' favor, it was expected that Siri would succeed Pius in the 1958 conclave.


    Thus, overwhelmingly convinced of the plan of God by the unified vote of the electors, Cardinal Siri accepted office, announced his desire to be known as Gregory XVII, and began to prepare to receive the first obeisances of the cardinals. At 6 P.M., white smoke was sent up the Sistine Chapel stovepipe for five uninterrupted minutes by the ministers of the conclave, to the thundering cheers of the delighted faithful outside, while Vatican Radio announced to the world that a new Pope had been chosen. Someone was made Pope that night. If not Siri, then who?


    Freemason
    Masonic Agent "Cardinal" Angelo Roncalli leaving for the 1958 Conclave

    But Siri's third mistake was to capitulate to the conclave mutineers who, having just promoted his unanimous, canonical ɛƖɛctıon, brutally shoved him aside within five minutes, so as to proceed with a second, invalid ɛƖɛctıon of the Masonic agent Angelo Roncalli, two days later. Hoping to avoid a global, bloody persecution of the Church at any price, Siri did not foresee that he had expedited an alternative and far more terrible spiritual persecution of the Church, which would take the form of the dreaded, heretical Second Vatican Council, convened by antipope John XXIII and ratified by antipope Paul VI. This had been the enemy's principal goal all along, in order to give the appearance that the errors of the French ʀɛʋօʟutιօn were finally to be "consecrated" from the pinnacle of power within the Church's visible structures. This step was absolutely necessary to the "powers of darkness", so that they could place Masonic agents upon the Chair of Peter, who would be devoid of any guidance by the Holy Ghost, to spread the disease of heresy worldwide with the obedient cooperation of an unsuspecting clergy, while exiling the true Papal authority from Rome, and covering it up with a false authority. The Catholic Church's ancient enemies had pulled off a "coup d'etat" inside the headquarters of the Church's government. The true Church was now "in eclipse", as foretold by Our Lady of La Salette.


    Our Lady of La Salette
    "Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist... The Church will be in eclipse..."
    (Words spoken by Our Lady of La Salette to Melanie Calvat in 1846 A.D., a fully approved Church Apparition)


    11. 'Today? I have understood it for many years. I have done wrong because I should have avoided taking certain actions. I wish to say - but I am afraid to say it - making certain mistakes.'

    Next to hiding his claim to the Papacy from the Church, Siri's most dєαdlу mistake was his participation in the bogus Second Vatican Council and his signature to its poisonous decrees. It should be noted, however, that Siri's signature was not rendered in his official capacity as Pope but was written simply as "Giuseppe Cardinal Siri", and was undoubtedly coerced. Thereafter he announced: "We will not be bound by these decrees."

    12. 'Thus I have had great remorse and I have asked the forgiveness of God. I hope that God forgives me.'

    Reduced to a helpless bystander, Siri agonized over his having allowed the near destruction of the Church and the loss of countless souls over a generation. His failed policy of trying to "reason" with the wolves in sheep's clothing rather than to sound the alarm to the lambs that they were being led to the slaughter by false shepherds, caused incalculable harm to the faithful. Siri's last confessor, Padre Candido Caponni, testified in Genoa, Italy, on 12 October 1992, that in his final days, Siri repeatedly expressed fear of the terrible Judgment of God that would soon be upon him "for not having lived up to his responsibilities."

    13. 'Yes, in the last two conclaves my candidacy was [again] brought forward, but I did not repeat the same statement I had made at the other times. I told myself: I can't do it [what I did at the other times]. What will be, will be.'

    Between the two conclaves of August and October, 1978, Siri defended his public record to the news media against the negative image of him presented by those who dreaded the possibility of his finally gaining control of the Church's structures, such that he was described by U.P.I. as "campaigning for the papacy."

    14. 'I have gotten out of it well enough anyway, but at the last conclave, I think, Wyszynski went to find my secretary, telling him: "It is done, you will be the secretary of the Pope.'"

    Until that time, Siri's status as Pope had been hidden from the faithful, allowing him to forestall the consequences of the terrible threats that had been brought against him. But with Cardinal Wyszynski's announcement to Siri's secretary, the disclosure of the Siri pontificate was nearly leaked to the outside world. What if it had been exposed that Siri had cooperated in the fraudulent ɛƖɛctıons of two, or perhaps three antipopes? The possibilities for disgracing the soon-to-be-acknowledged Pope were endless. But why did the cardinals remain silent, it is often asked? Potentially scandal-ridden by unconventional lifestyles, many of the cardinals had been checkmated by agents-provocateurs such as Malachi Martin, who admitted to journalist, Benjamin Kaufman, that he had been brought into the Vatican by the Jєωιѕн "Cardinal" Bea to dig up dirt on prelates targeted for blackmail. Martin boasted that he had been "shaking long-closeted skeletons in the faces of cardinals who didn't quite want to do what Cardinal Bea and the pope wanted at the Council... 'I saw cardinals sweating in front of me'. Martin recalled... It was heady, having that power, 'and I began to enjoy it.'" (Cincinnati Enquirer, 22 December 1973)

    15. 'I entered the conclave in a state of agony. I remember that I went to sit in a chair in the rear of the Pauline Chapel as one torn. I was in a state of agony.'

    Siri does not relate the conclave events in chronological order. The scene in the Pauline Chapel, which had to have occurred before the decisive vote, is reminiscent of a similar episode just prior to the ɛƖɛctıon of Pope Pius X in 1903, widely reported about the holy Pontiff. Like his saintly predecessor, Siri was certain he would emerge from the conclave to be acknowledged by the world as Pope. But unlike Saint Pius X, Siri was caught in a sinister trap, for the fourth time.

    16. 'God has saved me. How? Yes, a Cardinal had come to tell me what had happened. I cannot speak of it.'

    The old Soviet threat to millions of the faithful was renewed, and once again, the "bait and switch" routine was repeated at the conclave, that is, a seemingly canonical ɛƖɛctıon of Siri to the papacy takes place, only so that his public claim to office could be once more be suppressed, which demoralizes and intimidates a whole new group of "cardinals." Thus, in exchange for a false peace, Siri caved-in to a further consolidation of the Vatican's surrender into the hands of the government of Antichrist, without a shot being fired. Siri again declines to explain clearly what had happened, saying only, "I cannot speak of it," which is a repetition of his earlier refusals to reveal the dark cloud he had come under, when he would repeated say, "I am bound by the secret." In 1985, he described the secret as "horrible."


    The Hidden Pope
    The Hidden Pope
    "I have lived a very long life, and I have known men... and traitors. But I have never revealed the names of the traitors. I do not perform the work of the executioner. I know, however, how much it costs to speak the truth. They have not succeeded in making me ill, but they have succeeded in making me sad and depressed. But Jeremiah had enough lamentations; there's no need for me to add to them."
    (Words of "Cardinal Siri" 30 Days Magazine January 17, 1985 A.D.)


    17. 'But believe it... I have seen well the course of history over these long years, I have seen it well. And I also think I have even had the proper eyes to see it. I have worn glasses but I saw it well.'

    Siri says he had "proper" eyes (or in other words, the eyes of a Pope) in order to see what was going on, the infirmities of age, notwithstanding.

    18. 'Now I desire to leave this world without disturbing history and, therefore, let the others do that which in conscience they believe. I ask only that no lies are told and that is enough.'


    Pope Gregory XVII
    The Suffering Pontiff: His Holiness, Pope Gregory XVII
    Although betrayed by His Cardinals beginning the day of His Divine ɛƖɛctıon on October 26, 1958 A.D., put under constant surveillance, a docuмented death-threat, and having absolutely no temporal-arm to turn to for help- Pope Gregory XVII (whose pontificate precisely fulfilled Our Lady of Fatima's warning, that if people do [did] not stop offending God by their sins, that: "...the Holy Father will have much to suffer...") by a near miraculous occurrence in the Spring of 1988 A.D., shortly before His death; did perform the proper actions to carry on the True Hierarchy (Mission) of the True Church.

    Siri knew at age 82, he is not capable of leading the battle that is surely to come to overthrow Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ's popularized version of history and the illegal system of world government for Anti-Christ currently being prepared with the active assistance of the usurpers of the Vatican. For the first time, Siri speaks directly to those who have become aware of his terrible plight, and who seek to bring this hidden, earth-shaking history to light. Of us, he asks only that we speak the truth.

    _____________________

    The 1958 Conclave

    Predestined to be Pope

    Caption from a photo published in 1958 prior to the Conclave of Pope Pius XII: "Pigeon perches on Cardinal's Cap - Genoa, Italy - Giuseppe Cardinal Siri, Archbishop of Genoa, remained unperturbed when a pigeon perched on his cap as he celebrated Mass in the arena of the Orfei Circus here. The pigeon was one of a flock released in tribute to the Cardinal. The Mass, said on an altar set up in the center ring of the Big Top, was attended by circus entertainers and a crowd of Genoese."

    The words "pigeon" and "dove" are synonymous. Siri's dove was white. The dove landing on a papabile has always been understood to be the indication of the choice of the Holy Spirit to be Pope.


    Pius XII
    Picture of Pope Pius XII shortly before his death (Rome, 1958 A.D.)

    "When Pope Pius XII fell out with Giovanni Battista Montini... it was presumed Cardinal Siri would become Pope Pius's successor. Pope Pius made him a bishop at 38 and a cardinal at only 47..."4 In fact, Pope Pius XII is said to have named Siri as his desired successor.

    In 1958 various traditionally hostile groups such as the World Jєωιѕн Congress and B'nai Brith (the Masonic lodge for Jєωs) carried on a covert campaign for Roncalli.

    In Italy, so strongly felt was the inevitability of Siri's ɛƖɛctıon in 1958 that the prophesy of Saint Malachy, describing Pius' successor as "Shepherd and Sailor" (Pastor et Nauta), was commonly attributed to the illustrious Archbishop of Genoa. The maritime city had been his life- long home, where he was born the son of a dockworker. It was the most important seaport in the country, and birthplace of Christopher Columbus. A Genoan newspaper would write:


    Genoa Italy
    Actual picture of the birthplace of Christopher Columbus in Genoa, Italy

    "No one better than Siri could symbolize this motto: he is a pastor of highest virtues, a captain of the ship, born and raised on the sea." (Il Lavoro, Genoa, Italy, May 3, 1989, p. 4.)

    "...Moreover Pius XII's protege Archbishop Siri of Genoa, seemed to be endowed with all the gifts calculated to ensure his becoming a second Pacelli, whereas the opposition's own candidate, Montini, was not to be reckoned on as a starter since he was excluded from the Conclave, not having yet been raised to the purple. True, the Pope does not necessarily have to be chosen from among the members of the Sacred College, but the minority certainly could not add to their troubles by advancing his cause. It was also obvious that the 'Pentagon' [Pacellians] were not going to rest passively on their laurels: like Spellman they had all come rushing to Rome, and the first congregation had secured the ɛƖɛctıon of the Chamberlain and of two of their leaders, Canali and Pizzardo, in the interim government of the Vatican City.


    Cardinal Siri
    Cardinal Giuseppe Siri was the "Hand Picked" Successor by Pope Pius XII

    Compared with their activity the calm demeanor of the anti-Pacelli group seemed almost an admission of defeat. How else, for instance, could one account for the French Cardinals' delay in not reaching Rome until a week after Pius XII's death? And could they and their colleagues really expect to reverse the situation largely on the basis of pressure of public opinion, even though there could be no doubt about the rising hostility in both ecclesiastical and lay quarters to the recent pontificate, and the desire for a change?"5

    "The grapevine has intimated that fulfilling all the essential conditions (teacher, pastor and father) was Cardinal Siri, Archbishop of Genoa, and that even the Pacellians were solidly behind him. It even named the Pacellians: The Italian Cardinals Ruffini, Tedeschini, Fumasoni-Biondi, Pizzardo, Siri, Mimi, Micara, Canali, Ottaviani, Cicognani; the American Cardinals, Spellman and McIntyre; the two German ones, Frings and Wendel: the two Portuguese, De Gouveia and Cerejeira; the two Brazilians, De Barros Camara and Da Silva; the two Argentinians, Caggiano and Copello; the two Canadians, McGuigan and Leger; the Cuban, Betancourt, the Ecuadorian, Torre and the Irish, D'Alton..."6


    Cardinal Siri was Elected
    October 26, 1958 6 P.M.
    Pivotal Moment in the history of the 20th century ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry takes control of the Vatican structures.

    "VATICAN CITY (AP) - Cardinals balloted Sunday without electing a pope.

    A mix-up in smoke signals made it appear for about half an hour that Pius XII's successor had been chosen. For a time 200,000 Romans and tourists in huge Saint Peter's Square were certain the church had a new pontiff. Millions of others who listened to radios throughout Italy and Europe also were certain. They were certain. They heard the Vatican speaker shout exultantly: 'A pope is elected.."

    "The scene around the Vatican was one of incredible confusion. White smoke from a little chimney atop the Vatican is the traditional signal announcing the ɛƖɛctıon of a new pope. Black smoke indicates failure. Twice during the day smoke billowed from the chimney. At noon the smoke at first came white but it quickly turned unquestionably black. This was the sign the cardinals had failed to elect on the first two ballots, at nightfall white smoke billowed from the slender chimney for a full five minutes. For all the outside world knew, a new pontiff had been chosen.

    "Clouds of smoke were caught in search lights trained on the Sistine Chapel chimney. 'Bianco! Bianco!' roared many in the crowd. 'White, white.'

    "The Vatican Radio announced the smoke was white. The announcer declared the cardinals at that moment probably were going through the rites of adoration for a new supreme pontiff. For a long time Vatican Radio stuck to its insistence the smoke was white.

    Even high Vatican officials were fooled. Callori di Vignale, governor of the conclave, and Sigismondo Chigi, the conclave Marshall, rushed to take up the positions assigned to them. The Palatine Guard was called from its barracks and ordered to prepare to go to St. Peter's Basilica for (the) announcement of the new pope's name. But the guard was ordered back to barracks before it reached the square. The Swiss Guard was also alerted.

    "Chigi, in an interview with the Italian radio, said uncertainty reigned in the palace. He added that this confusion persisted even after the smoke had subsided and until assurances were received from within the conclave that black smoke was intended. He said he had been at three other conclaves and never before seen smoke as varied in color as Sunday's. He told newsmen later he would arrange to have the cardinals informed of Sunday's smoke confusion in the hope that something can be done to remedy the situation Monday.


    The White Smoke 1958

    "The crowd waited in agony of suspense. Any pope elected would ordinarily appear on the balcony within twenty minutes. The crowd waited a full half hour now wondering whether the smoke was meant to be black or white. Doubt set in swiftly. Many in the vast crowd began to drift away. But still there was confusion. News media had flashed around the world the word that a new pope had been chosen.

    Telephone calls poured into the Vatican, jamming its exchange. As time wore on and doubts increased, the callers all asked one question: "Black or white?"

    "After a half hour, radios began to chatter excitedly that the answer was still uncertain. Only well after the time when a new pope should have appeared on the balcony above St. Peter's Square was it certain that the voting would have to resume Monday at 10 a.m. (3 a.m. CST). The crowd now aware of this, dissipated quickly. Grayish wisps of smoke still spiraled from the chapel chimney..." (Cardinals Fail To Elect Pope In 4 Ballots; Mix-up In Smoke Signals Causes 2 False Reports," The Houston Post, October 27, 1958, Section 1, pages 1 & 7.)

    Father Pellegrino, who had already announced repeatedly on Vatican Radio that a new Pope had been elected, finally concluded in frustration after a half hour: "It is not possible to cancel out the impression of white smoke upon 300,000 people; the cause of the error must be sought elsewhere."


    Pope Gregory XVII
    His Holiness, Pope Gregory XVII

    According to a knowledgeable Italian priest who had conferred with Cardinal Siri, this conservative bloc was actually successful in electing Siri on the fourth ballot of the first day of the conclave, October 26, 1958, which is the feast day of Pope and martyr, Saint Evaristus, the fifth Pope of the Church. Siri, who was the fifth Pope elected this century, is said to have promptly accepted the office and announced that he would take the name "Gregory XVII." Then, a shrill storm of protest was heard from the reformers, who jumped to their feet to intimidate the new Pope with the threat that they would immediately establish an international schismatic church, were he to emerge from the conclave as pope. Badly shaken, Siri is supposed to have replied: "if you do not want me, then elect someone else" By this one statement, which was taken as his abdication, would come the apocalyptic catastrophe that so quickly engulfed the Church.


    1917 Code of Canon Law
    1917 Code of Canon Law
    "Resignation is invalid by law if it was made out of grave fear unjustly inflicted, fraud, substantial error, or simony"
    (1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 185)

    Church law provides, however: "...A valid Abdication of the Pope must be a free act, hence a forced resignation of the papacy would be null and void, as more than one ecclesiastical decree has declared."7

    When and by whom the name of Tedeschini was first advanced is not known, but it is clearly stated in Scotesco's writings that during one of the ballots he was elected. This must have been after Siri's fourth ballot majority vote.

    What had happened to Cardinal Tedeschini could today not even be guessed at, were it not for the 1976 letter of Peter Scortesco, other fragments of his memoirs and additional testimonies concerning the later papal ɛƖɛctıons. The Masonic masterminds of the 1958 Conclave had no intention of conducting a fair ɛƖɛctıon with Tedeschini publicly emerging as a 'transitional' pope. But his candidacy would be useful to them if it could be sold to the conservatives as a more practical substitute to any attempt to elect Siri a second time. The evidence suggests that the scheme worked. When the old cardinal was elected, his acceptance of the office was instantly quashed, thus demonstrating to the conservative block, the reformers' ability to obstruct any candidate they opposed by whatever means available. (It is reasonable to presume that this was accomplished by threats of violence, secretively delivered to Tedeschini and some of his electors, as such a method would later be used against Siri in 1963.) Once Tedeschini was sidelined, the Pacellian alliance was routed, and the conclave, which continued its search for a "transitional" pope, was maneuvered toward a "compromise" with Roncalli. By the end of the third day of balloting, the elderly cardinals were exhausted and confused, and some were perhaps, even frightened, such that a sufficient number had finally capitulated, giving Roncalli the necessary majority.


    5th Column Freemasons
    Pilot & Herod Revisited
    "Cardinal" Lienart (on left) and "Cardinal" Bea shown Shaking Hands
    These Partners in Crime were both members of the Masonic Lodge

    "In the case of the Conclaves of John XXIII (1958) and of Paul VI (1963), there were communications (with the exterior). It was thus known that there were several ballots during which, in the first [Conclave], was (elected) [Cardinal' Tedeschini; and, in the second [Conclave], Cardinal Siri. The latter who had only one more vote than Montini (*), had the imprudence to ask that his ɛƖɛctıon be again voted, so that he could reign with a more important majority. And it was then [during the noon recess following the second scrutiny] that Cardinal Tisserant went out to telephone, and when he returned, Cardinals Lienart, Konig, Dopfner and Tarancon [changed their ballots and then] voted for Paul VI [in the scrutinies which followed]. And it was known that these four had relations with the free-masons. Therefore, one can affirm, without mistake, that Paul VI was elected from that sect."8 As will be seen in the quotes for the 1963 Conclave, the who, with which Tisserant met is the B'nai B'rith.

    Introibo concludes with the following comments, as quoted in part:

    "...Mr. Scortesco was an excellent Catholic, full of piety and zeal. Furthermore, in 1971, we had learned in Rome, from the mouth of a person well informed of the under-currents of the Vatican politics, of the history of the violation of the closure of the Conclave, violation which, itself, would suffice to annul an ɛƖɛctıon..."

    The Chattanooga Times for 26 October 1958 lists the rules and regulations applying to the Conclave according to the constitution of Pope Pius XII.

    "As soon as they were alone, the cardinals one by one took an oath in accordance with the constitution of Pius XII. The oath concerns four main points. The cardinals swore:

    1. That they would observe the constitution of Pius XII faithfully and put all its provisions into effect.

    2. That if elected they would strenuously defend all rights of the church, including its temporal rights.

    3. That they would keep the secret about all things concerning the ɛƖɛctıon of the new Pope during and after the conclave.

    4. That they would not receive or countenance any veto or exclusion from any civil power, even indirectly.

    It does not take much thought to realize that John XXIII violated his sworn oath with regard to numbers 1 and 2. And, because of number 4, notably the leaving of the Conclave by Cardinal Tisserant to confer with the Jєωιѕн power, the Conclave was rendered null and void, and thus number 3 could not bind _ even though this was a point which John XXIII was particularly demanding about because of the irregularities of the Conclave.

    _____________________

    John XXIII


    Angelo Roncalli a.k.a Anti-Pope John XXIII, a Docuмented Freemason
    "Cardinal" Angelo Roncalli A.K.A Antpope John XXIII, was a Docuмented Freemason
    (Angelo Roncalli [with hand on right knee] seated next to his "confidant," Edouard Herriot, Secretary of the Radical Socialists
    whom he (Roncalli) hosted, along with other officials of the Masonic "Fourth Republic" of France, in 1953)

    During Nunciature in Turkey, admitted "into the sect of the Temple" receiving the name "Brother John" - Prophesies of John XXIII, Pier Carpi, p. 52.

    "I know Cardinal Roncalli very well. He was a Deist and a Rationalist whose strength did not lie in the ability to believe in miracles and to venerate the sacred." - Carl Jakob Burckhardt, a high ranking freemason wrote in Journal De Geneve, quoted by Carpi.

    "The direction of our action: Continuation of the Work of John XXIII and all those who have followed him on the way to the templer universalisme." - Resurgence de Temple, p. 149 - a book edited by the Templers themselves in 1975.


    Roncalli the Freemason
    Pictured in the middle: Angelo Roncolli (a.k.a "Brother John") in Turkey

    During his Nunciature in Paris, "Cardinal Roncalli attended in civilian clothes the Great Lodge where he found again the Jesuit Riquet. His adviser was Maurice Bredet, author of 'Mystic and Magic,' who boasted that he had prophesied the Tiara to Cardinal Roncalli."9

    His ɛƖɛctıon proclaimed under a full moon. (See under John Paul II for this significance.)

    Roncalli in 1958 took the name of John XXIII, the same name as the Anti-Pope Baldasar Cosa, who usurped the papal office during the exile of the true pope, and for a time carried out his usurpation in Rome itself. The policy in the Roman Church is to never take the name of an anti- pope, was this a cryptic signal?

    Wartime preoccupation with supplying fraudulent baptismal certificates to thousands of Hungarian Jєωs, who were hiding from the nαzιs. Putting aside the moral implications of such deception, he cared not if any of the Jєωs practiced the Catholic Faith, even though some of them had actually been baptized by nuns in Budapest.

    Roncalli when Nuncio to France appointed a 33 Degree Freemason and close friend, the Baron Yves Marsaudon, as head of the French Branch of the Knights of Malta.10 This caused a major scandal for the Pacelli papacy.

    The same Yves Marsaudon would later gloat: "If there are still some remnants of thought, reminiscent of the Inquisition, they will be drowned in a rising flood of ecuмenism and liberalism. One of the most tangible consequences will be the lowering of spiritual barriers that divide the world. With all our hearts we wish for the success of John XXIII's ʀɛʋօʟutιօn."11 The dedication and preface for Marsaudon's book was written by Charles Riandley, Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council of France (Scottish Rite). Riandley wrote: "To the memory of Angelo Roncalli, ... Pope under the Name of John XXIII, Who Has Deigned to Give Us His Benediction, His Understanding and His Protection, ... [and] To His August Continuer, His Holiness Pope Paul VI." Riandley confidently predicted how the policies of Roncalli and Montini would advance the Masonic agenda: "We are convinced of the narrowness of the spiritual, cultural, scientific, social and economic structures which up to our own time, have hindered the actions and the thoughts of man... But these structures have already been shattered in part. Some pontifical decisions have contributed to this. We feel sure that they will be all destroyed eventually... True, not everything is to be rejected; but what cannot be saved will not be saved unless it is renovated." 12


    Angelo Roncalli- Freemason
    Angelo Roncalli (A.K.A. Antipope John XXIII)
    Roncalli insisted upon receiving the red hat from the notoriously anti-clerical Vincent Auriol,
    President of the Masonic "Fourth Republic" of France (whom he had described as "an honest socialist").

    When elevated to the College of Cardinals Roncalli insisted upon receiving the red hat from the notoriously anti-clerical Vincent Auriol, President of the Masonic "Fourth Republic" of France, kneeling before him to have the red hat placed upon his head.

    At social functions in Paris Roncalli was frequently seen fraternizing with the Soviet Ambassador, M. Bogomolov, even though the Soviet Union had resumed its pre-war policy of brutal extermination of Catholics in Russia. Also a good friend of Edouard Herriot, Secretary of the anti-Catholic Radical Socialists (of France)13


    Antipope John XXIII
    After Roncalli's "ɛƖɛctıon" he summoned the conclavists back for an unusual overnight post-ɛƖɛctıon session:
    “John XXIII asked the cardinals to remain in the conclave another night instead of leaving immediately as was customary…to caution them again against revealing the secrets of his ɛƖɛctıon to outsiders...” (Alden Hatch, A Man Named John, Hawthorn Books, 1963, p. 163.)

    The Holy Office had kept a file on Roncalli since 1925, wherein it stated, "suspected of Modernism." In 1925, Roncalli, who was known for his unorthodox teachings, was abruptly removed from his professorship at the Lateran Seminary in mid-semester and shipped off to Bulgaria, thus beginning his diplomatic career. Of particular concern to the Holy Office had been his continuing close association with the defrocked priest, Ernesto Buonaiuti, who was excommunicated for heresy in 1926. 14 Following Roncalli's "ɛƖɛctıon" he summoned the conclavists back to the Sistine Chapel for an unusual overnight post- ɛƖɛctıon session, politely threatening excommunication for noncompliance. His principle use of the assemblage was to renew stern warnings against any breach of conclave secrecy (lest some suspicious details might leak out, exposing the irregular events to the public.)

    Roncalli received Kruschev's son-in-law and his wife, as John Paul II would receive Gorbachev. They received the personal blessing of John XXIII. On this same occasion, John XXIII was awarded the Soviet Balzen Peace Prize. (According the 1967 World Book Encyclopedia, "peace" to a Communist is the condition when there is no longer any opposition to ƈσmmυɳιsm.) Not surprisingly, John XXIII's Vatican II Council refused to condemn ƈσmmυɳιsm.

    Montini the Communist
    Roncalli made his Comrade Montini a "Cardinal"

    One of his first acts was to make Giovanni Baptiste Montini (the future Paul VI) a cardinal, something Pope Pius XII refused to do after it was found Montini had been secretly communicating with Stalin during World War II. Making Montini a Cardinal positioned him to become "Pope" Paul VI, which was apparently the game-plan all along, as suggested by LIFE magazine's promotion of Montini for Pope in 1956 when he was still only a bishop.

    A few days before his death he made a prominent Roman Freemason, Umberto Ortolani, a "Gentleman of His Holiness' a much coveted title reserved for the patrician elite amongst Catholics. It was a sign that John XXIII did not repent of his Masonic affiliations, even on his death bed.

    >From 30 Days magazine, Nov. 2, 1994 edition entitled "A John XXIII Update"

    "Our readers will remember that in our June 1994 newsletter (Nuclear Horizons) we published a sensational statement by the Grand Master of the Italian Grand Orient Order of Freemasons to the effect that 'Pope' John XXIII had been initiated into the Freemasons when he was Nuncio in Paris in the late forties.

    We pointed out, that if this statement were true, Angelo Roncalli (john XXIII) could not possibly have been validly elected to the Supreme Pontificate. He would have been intrinsically ineligible by reason of his automatic excommunication under Canon Law (No. 2335). Not being a Catholic, it was not possible for him to be head of the Catholic Church."

    Just prior to his death, according to Jєωιѕн sources (The War Against the Jєω, Dagobert Runes), Roncalli was preparing to make a Prayer of Reparation to the Jєωs, which denies the Church and applauds the Jєωs a mandate for all Catholics. It goes:

    'We admit that over hundreds of years our eyes were blinded, so as not to see the Beauty of Thy Chosen People and not to recognize the features of our firstborn brother. We admit that the sign of Cain is upon our forehead. For centuries Abel was lying in blood and tears while we had forgotten Thy love. Forgive us, O Lord, the curse we unjustly spoke out over the people of Israel. Forgive us, that in their flesh we crucified You the second time! We did not know what we were doing.'"

    At a recent exhuming of the body of John XXIII relating to the advancement of his cause for Beatification, the group of witness present were shocked to find that the body in the coffin was facing downward.

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    The 1963 Conclave

    On pages 607 to 609 of his book, "The Keys Of This Blood," Malachi Martin, perennial insider and eye-witness to the '63 Conclave, admits that Siri was elected Pope [again] in 1963, but that his ɛƖɛctıon was "set aside" because of an outside "communication" [interference] by an "internationally based organization", regarding a "grave matter of [Vatican] state security." He then tries to justify outside interference of the conclave if it is conducted "by authorized persons" or if "the very existence of the Vatican City-State or its members or dependents" were at stake."

    Bea the Jєω
    Antipope John XXIII & "Cardinal" Bea the Marrano Jєω

    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #22 on: April 21, 2021, 02:06:07 PM »
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  • God doesn't appoint cowards to lead His Church.

    Did you get this doctrine from Vatican I?  We've had all kinds of delinquents elected to the papacy during the history of the Church.  And it's easy for you to call him a "coward" when one of the threats reportedly issued was the rounding up and execution of Catholics behind the Iron Curtain.


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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #23 on: April 21, 2021, 02:10:39 PM »
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  • It means if the facts show that Siri was Pope Gregory, he was the Pope. Whether or not he was permitted to publicly express any public opinion, and whether or not he publicly opposed the teachings of Vatican II has no bearing.
    It may have no bearing on whether he was elected pope, but it does have bearing.  Those who love the Truth understand that.  ;)
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #24 on: April 21, 2021, 03:08:20 PM »
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  • There is way more to the Siri Story then the appearance of not assuming office. A resignation is void if it was done under duress. Remember that white smoke cannot happen unless someone had accepted the nomination.

    What can be proved is that the Magisterium cannot teach error, fallible or infallible. To say so otherwise would be heresy.
    I'm not really sure it's the same thing to resign an office (under duress or otherwise) and to fail to assume an office, triggering automatic resignation under canon law. First of all, we don't have solid proof Siri accepted the office in the first place. But obviously a reigning pope cannot be driven out of office validly, in such a way that he would lose the papacy. Numerous popes have been driven out of Rome by armies, or put in prison, but that had no effect on their papacy. But those men were popes exercising the office of the papacy, who had been accepted as popes by the whole Church. I don't think there's a parallel with someone who supposedly got elected but who never assumed the office and never made any public claim to have any right to the papacy. Such a person never publicly accepted the office. He even declined to answer when he was specifically asked about it. And the canon I mentioned doesn't say that that resignation is invalid if the person appointed to the office is prevented from assuming the office. That may well be the case, but that would have to be proved. In any case, Siri was not prevented from doing anything. He could have gotten back to Genoa and gone on TV and claimed he had won the election. Nobody was stopping him. He had 30 years to do that if he had wanted to, yet he never did. He failed to assume the office.

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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #25 on: April 21, 2021, 05:02:14 PM »
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  • I'm a dogmatic indefectibilist.  I'm DOGMATICALLY certain that the Church, being guided by the Holy Spirit, cannot produce such a degree of destruction as would require good Catholics to leave the Church in order to remain Catholic.  I don't agree with the IMO often-exaggerated notion of infallibility held by the dogmatic sedevacantists, but I also believe that this situation completely crosses a line.  We're not talking about an isolated dubious statement.  We're talking about a brand new religion that lacks the marks of the Holy Catholic Church.  That is not possible.  Imagine if there had been no New Mass, no bogus canonizations, etc., and the only purported error in V2 was that of Religious Liberty.  Would there have been a Traditional movement?  No, in that event, good Catholics who questioned that particular teaching would simply have respectfully raised their objections to the Holy See through the appropriate channels.

    Now, HOW one wants to think out the problem that this poses for the papacy, that's a detail that has been disputed, whether one wants to go with the Bellarmine position or Cajetan / John of St. Thomas position ... which Father Chazal holds, there's freedom there.  Heck, it doesn't matter to me if you want to speculate that Montini was blackmailed due to his sơdơmite lifestyle or else even that he was drugged, imprisoned, or replaced by a double.  I don't even really care if someone wants to claim that all the V2 teachings and the NOM are somehow reconcilable with Tradition.  I think it's preposterous, but at least it tacitly upholds the principle that the Church's Magisterium and Universal Discipline cannot defect.

    Archbishop Lefebvre followed this EXACT same line of reasoning in that audio clip that has been posted here.  I'll try to find it.  He admits that this degree of destruction is not possible given the protection of the Holy Spirit over the papacy.  Then he starts speculating about how this could have happened, whether Paul VI was drugged, which he didn't think was likely, or whether the See was vacant, and he did maintain that this was possible.  But in the end he felt that he didn't have the authority to go there (very similar to what +Vigano has articulated) and "preferred to wait" for resolution of that question.

    I'm sedeprivationist only in the sense that I believe the distinction to be quite valid, and that it works better than pure sedevacantism for a lot of reasons I won't go into here.  But whether or not we are in a sedeprivationist situation is a determination made by our private judgment, and we cannot have the requisite certainty to dogmatically know this.

    I believe that the dogmatic sedevacantists confuse dogmatic indefectibilism with a dogmatic assertion regarding the status of the papacy, and I feel that there's a logical gap there that they don't see.

    If Siri was in fact legitimate pope, then the See wasn't vacant during that time.
    There are a number of prophecies that refer to an "eclipse" of the Church, which refers to the fact that the true Church is hidden behind something else.
    I agree with this view. Credit to you for previous threads over the years on this topic. 

    Some questions: 

    1.) Would it be more accurate to say that Catholic Resistance does not deserve to be lumped in with the neo-SSPX regarding this subject? Both Fr. Chazal and Bp. Williamson appear to hold a very similar view on the crisis. Here is a link to an earlier thread on the subject "Is Bp. Williamson sededoubtist": https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/bishop-williamson-the-sededoubtist/

    2.) Would you say that the "una cuм" Mass is not problematic since this position requires a "determination made by our private judgment, and we cannot have the requisite certainty to dogmatically know this" (quote your post above)?

    3.) Catholics must be in communion with their bishop, subject to the Roman Pontiff, and in communion with the other bishops in communion with him. And since the primary bond of unity is the Faith according to Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Satis Cognitum, Catholics must keep the Faith and avoid the apparent apostasy/heresy that is unfolding. Since the Resistance bishops have not assembled to excommunicate any other bishops in communion with the elected pope, and since they work to keep the Faith and avoid the apparent apostasy/heresy that is unfolding we can say that they fulfill the above requirements. After all, "God does not command impossibilities; but by commanding He admonishes you both to do what you can, and to ask for that which is beyond your power, and by His help enables you to do it." [Council of Trent:Sess. 6, Cap. 11] Therefore they are in communion with any faithful Catholic bishop subject to the faithful Roman Pontiff and let God or a future pope sort out the problem/question about the hierarchy since there is no dogmatically defined answer yet for how the Church will sort out this crisis. 

    4.) And so we can have positive doubt and moral certainty that the Conciliar laws, sacraments, etc (and all that goes with it) must be avoided, but have zero doubt about the Faith, the Church, her indefectibility, and total confidence in Our Blessed Virgin Mother and her Son, Jesus Christ. 

    Thank you for your thoughts on this subject. 


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    « Reply #26 on: April 22, 2021, 01:01:53 AM »
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  • The Church doesn't go into catacombs hiding herself from her own flock. Catacombs is to hide from the wicked world while she is still visible to her flock. A "pope in hiding" that results in billions of Catholic souls perishing isn't the will of God. It's an act of cowardice. If Siri was elected pope, and he overtly resisted the attempted takeover by the ʝʊdɛօ-masons that set up the new false religion, the war could've recruited many good Catholics to fight the good fight and a much bigger Catholic remnant enduring to this day, even if Siri was αssαssιnαtҽd in the process. Hiding and allowing the false religion to masquerade as "Catholic" which results in innumerable souls being damned isn't the of Christ. 

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  • It's entirely possible that Cardinal Siri thought he had resigned and didn't consider the fact that the resignation was invalid on account of duress.

    You see, ultimately, everything is an act of free will.  Siri's decision to succuмb to the pressure and back down was an act of free will.  That's just like even if you're subjected to great temptation, if you cave, then it's an act of the free will.  So he could in his own mind be confusing his ultimate and absolute moral freedom with the legal and canonical reality that the duress invalidates the resignation.  In other words, the resignation was free, but it wasn't free, with the litmus test being whether or not he would have resigned without the pressure brought to bear.

    So, ironically, it's irrelevant whether Siri thought he was still Gregory XVII.

    He gave interviews in which he strongly implied, sometimes by his non-answers, that he had in fact been elected.

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    Re: Question for Ladislaus
    « Reply #28 on: April 22, 2021, 06:28:25 PM »
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  • The answer to Siri-plenism is simple.

    Every conclusion which you've already predetermined is "simple" in your own mind.  No, it's not simple.  None of this is simple.  That's why millions and millions of people have lost the faith as a direct result of Vatican II.

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  • 1.) Would it be more accurate to say that Catholic Resistance does not deserve to be lumped in with the neo-SSPX regarding this subject? Both Fr. Chazal and Bp. Williamson appear to hold a very similar view on the crisis. Here is a link to an earlier thread on the subject "Is Bp. Williamson sededoubtist": https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/bishop-williamson-the-sededoubtist/

    Indeed, I have pointed out that Bishop Williamson and Bishop Tissier are in fact sede-doubtists.  They have both publicly expressed the opinion that it's possible that the V2 papal claimants have been illegitimate.  As the Canonists agree, well-founded doubts about the legitimacy of a pope absolve those who resist such a pope of schism.  There's that famous theological maxim papa dubius papa nullus, "a doubtful pope is no pope."  It's actually a corollary to Universal Acceptance.

    Xavier has created a half dozen threads claiming that their legitimacy is dogmatic fact.  That would render doubts about their legitimacy to be heretical.  But Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Williamson, and Bishop Tissier have all expressed such doubts.

    By Xavier's logic, that would make them heretics.  But he refuses to touch that with a thousand-foot pole.