A) Who do you think created the new religion? How did the popes allow it?
B) When was the last infallible statement of the Church?
C) You don't think declaring Saints doesn't fall under "1. in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians"?
D) Until Vatican 2 is corrected, we will never agree on anything. Can you at least agree to that statement?
E) Are you basically saying the Pope Francis shepherds the Conciliar church and doesn't shepherd the Catholic Church?
A) I think that the new religion was a work in progress since the devil's first meeting in hell and was brought to life at V2 by the Church's enemies. I do not think it possible that one individual is responsible, the blame is spread out amongst almost the entire hierarchy from that day to this. But also guilty are all the people who went along with them - and continue to go along with them.
While we can only speculate "how the popes allowed it" my opinion is that the conciliar popes, like many others, believe it is de fide that whatever popes say and do is always infallible, always under the divine protection from error.
If you are pope and truly believe this, you want to reward salvation to the whole world, all you have to do is preach it and it will be infallible by virtue of you preaching it.
B) The last infallible statement was November 1, 1950, Munificentissimus Deus when Pope Pius XII declared the Assumption of Our Blessed Mother body and soul was assumed into heaven.
C) No, the declaring of saints does not fall under the description of "Ex cathedra" which is what that sentence (Item #1 you quoted) is explaining.
Q. What does "when the pope speaks ex cathedra" mean?
A. "that is, when,
1. in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians,
2. in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority,
3. he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole church."
This (#3) is when the pope is infallible, when "he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole church." This is the dogma of papal infallibility.
D) Well, I would not say we will never agree on anything, I will say we will always disagree on certain points of doctrine due to a lack of authentic teaching and corruption of the whole NO hierarchy down all the way to the laity. We are scattered.
E) That's basically what I am saying, yes. He, along with the NO hierarchy and laity, abandoned their duty and embraced all manner of heresy and error.
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