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Re: Sanity vs. Insanity?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2024, 05:06:36 PM »
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  • Yes, but Bergoglio is worse than just being a mere "antipope." He surely is that because he was not canonically-elected, as explained at www.antipope.com.

    He is the final "destroyer" of the Church discussed by St. Francis of Assisi. 

    He is the "little horn" warned about by Daniel the prophet.

    He is the "man of sin" spoken of by St. Paul.

    He is the "False Prophet" of the Apocalypse.

    But just like many in the First Century AD did not recognize Jesus as the prophesied Christ, many Catholics in our day will fail to recognize this prophesied Antichrist or the times that they are living through. 

    St. Paul explains this in 2 Thessalonians 2:

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    10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: 11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. 

    But those who do have "eyes to see" must be careful not to fall from this grace. For all are being tested in their own way, as St. John warns in Apocalypse 2:


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    1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write: These things saith he, who holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks:  2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them that are evil, and thou hast tried them, who say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:  3 And thou hast patience, and hast endured for my name, and hast not fainted.  4 But I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first charity.  5 Be mindful therefore from whence thou art fallen: and do penance, and do the first works. Or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou do penance. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaites, which I also hate.  7 He, that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches: To him, that overcometh, I will give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of my God.



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    Re: Sanity vs. Insanity?
    « Reply #2 on: December 31, 2024, 05:48:12 PM »
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  • Do Sedevacantis only attend Sedevacantis masses?
    How about when traveling? 

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    Re: Sanity vs. Insanity?
    « Reply #3 on: December 31, 2024, 05:52:02 PM »
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  • Do Sedevacantis consider it a sin to attend non sede masses?

    Im just curious 

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    Re: Sanity vs. Insanity?
    « Reply #4 on: December 31, 2024, 06:33:29 PM »
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    Re: Sanity vs. Insanity?
    « Reply #5 on: December 31, 2024, 06:59:38 PM »
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    • Can you provide the exegetical source (commentary of the Fathers, or teachings of the popes) to back up the assertion that the "man of sin" is synonymous with the "False Prophet" and not the "Antichrist"?

    It seems you are saying the Man of Sin = the False Prophet
    And NOT the Man of Sin = the Antichrist.

    But this is not what I have seen from the commentaries I have read, but rather that the Man of Sin = The Antichrist and the False Prophet is his precursor.

    Thanks in advance.
    Sorry, I don't have source. 

    I am saying that the "man of sin" is "the Antichrist." And I am saying that the main bad guy discussed in the Apocalypse, the leader of all the false prophets, is also same person, who himself is "the False Prophet." Although, I think that when the Apocalypse mentions "the false prophet," John is using a singular noun, but intends it to refer to many people of the same type, specifically false bishops/priests who prop up "the Antichrist," also the Beast, among other things. But I believe that  "the Antichrist" is also a false priest/bishop. So "the Antichrist" is also "a false prophet." He's the most important false prophet...the false Bishop of Rome.

    About the precursor thing. We see in Judas Iscariot a figure who started out as a false disciple/prophet but later, after "Satan entered him" (Luke 22:3 and John 13:27), became a figure of "the Antichrist." Similarly, we see Bergoglio, a communist/liberation theologian who fakes his way into his false papacy, who in the very near future will be recognized as "the Antichrist." So, the same person is both percursor of the Beast and the Beast himself. These are different stages in the life of the same person.

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    Re: Sanity vs. Insanity?
    « Reply #6 on: December 31, 2024, 07:28:10 PM »
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  • Apologies, a piggyback to the last question:

    Can you please also provide the translation source of the prophecy of St. Francis about the "Destroyer Pope" where it states the Destroyer will be the "final destroyer" (final being the keyword)?

    Thanks in advance again!

    Translation source:
    https://novusordowatch.org/saint-francis-assisi-prophecy-destroyer/

    Key phrase is at the end of the quoted section:

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    "...for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer."

    Those "days" referred to in that sentence are the end times. Jesus does not send a destroyer of the Church until the end of the age.

    The word "destroyer" is a name given to the Antichrist, using three different languages in the Apocalypse verse 9:10-11.

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    10 ...And they had over them 11 A king, the angel of the bottomless pit; whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek Apollyon; in Latin Exterminans,

    All three words mean "destroyer" in their respective tongues. And we know this destroyer "king" is the Antichrist because "Jesus Christ" himself was named as "King of the Jews" in three different languages, the same languages used in the above verse: Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.

    Finally, the Antichrist's appearance is not a random event. He is sent by Jesus Christ Himself as a chastisement for His own people who have forsaken Him, called the Harlot of Babylon, the Counterfeit Church.

    The quote makes it clear that this "destroyer" will succeed because he is an agent of Divine Wrath. This is described in more detail in Apocalypse 17:

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    16 And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire.  17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

    The Antichrist comes out of the Ten Horns, who represent the Cardinals of Bergoglio's Council of Cardinal Advisors. Bergoglio, the Antichrist, is "another horn" in Daniel Chapter 7 and "the eighth" who is a false "king" but "is of the seven" (Apocalypse 17:11). And all of these evil agents are given this power by God Himself to fulfill his plan.

    The end of God's plan is not destruction of course, but the Triumph of Christ and his Church, through the action of Our Lady and the Holy Pope, who are agents inaugurating the New Heaven and New Earth (Apocalypse 21).

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    Re: Sanity vs. Insanity?
    « Reply #7 on: January 01, 2025, 03:33:34 AM »
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  • Cardinal Manning:

    Lecture II: The Antichrist
    It is true, indeed, that the Antichrist has had, and may still have, many forerunners, as had also Christ Himself: as Isaac, Moses, Josue, David, Jeremias, were types of the one, so Antiochus, Julian, Arius, Mahomet, and many more, are the types of the other; for persons typify persons. So, again, as Christ is the Head and Representative in which the whole mystery of godliness has been summed up and recapitulated, so also the whole mystery of impiety will find its expression and its head in the person of Antichrist.

    He may indeed embody a spirit and represent a system, but is not less, therefore, a person….

    Next, the [Church] Fathers believed that Antichrist will be of the Jєωιѕн race…. And this will appear probable, if we consider that the Antichrist will come to deceive the Jews, accenting to the prophecy of our Lord “I am come in My Father’s name, and you receive Me not: another will come in his own name, him you will receive”… The probability of this also will appear, if we consider, further, that a false Christ would fail of the first condition of success if he were not of the house of David; that the Jews are still looking out for his coming; that they have prepared themselves for delusion by crucifying the true Messias; and therefore it is that the Fathers interpret of the true Messias and the false the words of St Paul to the Thessalonians: “Because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved; therefore God shall send them the operation of error to believe lying” [2 Thess 2:10-11]….

    From this we perceive a third character of Antichrist, namely, that he will not be simply the antagonist, but the substitute or supplanter of the true Messias: And this is rendered still more probable by the fact, that the Messias looked for by the Jews has always been a temporal deliverer, the restorer of their temporal order; or, in other words, a political and military prince. It is obvious also, that whosoever may hereafter deceive them in the pretended character of their Messias, must thereby deny the Incarnation, whatsoever claim to a supernatural character he may put forward for himself. In his own person he will be a complete denial of the whole Christian faith and Church; for if he be the true Messias, the Christ of the Christians must be false….
    But the prophecies assign to the person of Antichrist a more preternatural character. He is described as a worker of false miracles. His coming is said to be “according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders and all seduction of iniquity to them that perish” [2 Thess 2:9-10]…. The age is ripe for a delusion. It will not believe the miracles of the saints, but it will copiously drink down the phenomena of spiritualism….

    The last characteristic of which I will speak is more difficult, perhaps, to conceive. St. Paul says of “the man of sin,” “the son of perdition, who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself as if he were God” [2 Thess 2:4]. These words are interpreted by the Fathers to mean that he will claim divine honors, and that in the Temple of Jerusalem…. [Yet:] As Christ at His coming was believed to be the carpenter, so Antichrist may be visibly no more than a successful adventurer. Even his preternatural character, true or false, may pass either as scintillations of insanity, or as the absurdities of his partisans, or the delusions of his flatterers. So the world blinds its own eyes by the fumes of its own intellectual pride.

    It would be more likely (as above) that Bergoglio is anti -John Baptist, a precursor. With the exceptions of traditional catholics, some eastern schismatics and minority of the rest, how many would fall for the worship of the antichrist?

    If death jab is any indicator, which is only the fragment of the would be deception -the answer is almost everyone. 

    Also, jews are expecting to crown him. 2 world wars were fought for the creation of the state of Isreal and final act is needed- the temple. Most prots and Americans for that matter glorify the state of Isreal, and would gladly receive him. 

    It would take a simple command by Bergoglio to worship him and most novus ordoites would jump on the wagon. Heck, they accepted false worship, false priests and false sacraments for the past 60+ years.   
    Buddhists wait for maitreya aka "last buddha" -so there is an easy target. 
    Hindus wait for kalki, "avatar of vishnu" so there is that.
    Muslims expect mahdi and "Isa" to work together confirming them in their unbelief against Christians.

    Finally, we have multitude of pagans, satanists and everyday commoners who will go with the flow of "unification, prosperity, digital imprint etc." 

    Although it is possible in God's Providence that even Bergoglio could be the one, I am more inclined to believe what cardinal Manning quotes above which would indicate that Bergoglio would not be the one.