Author Topic: Putting Faith in Catholic Organization Over Infallible Teachings of Church (Read 1785 times)

Truth is Eternal · « **on:** August 23, 2011, 06:16:28 PM »

The Traditional Catholic Church I go to is a part of the CMRI. There are times when the Priest speaks for the CMRI and it does not line up with the infallible teachings of the Church. I always put the infallible teachings of the Church ahead of the fallible teachings of the CMRI.

If a person knows the Catholic organization they belong to doesn't always line up with the infallible teachings of the Church yet they choose to live their whole life putting more faith in this organization than infallible doctrine, is this offense Damnable?

Gregory I · « **Reply #1 on:** August 23, 2011, 06:21:51 PM »

What teaching of the CMRI does not line up with the Church?

s2srea · « **Reply #2 on:** August 23, 2011, 06:23:57 PM »

The CMRI is a very reputable (in my experience) fraternaty of priests. While they aren't very advanced in the way of theology, the priests I've met seem to be holy and Catholic.

Are you able to be more specific in the way of what you found to be against the infallible teachings of the Church?

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #3 on:** August 23, 2011, 06:24:33 PM »

Quote from: Gregory I

What teaching of the CMRI does not line up with the Church?

Outside the Church there is no Salvation.

s2srea · « **Reply #4 on:** August 23, 2011, 07:17:55 PM »

Please expand, if you don't mind...

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2011, 07:30:53 PM »

Quote from: s2srea

Please expand, if you don't mind...

They do not want to believe many people they know are going to hell because these people they know refuse to believe there is no salvation outside the Church. If I would get too vocal about this issue I would get kicked out of the Church where I attend mass.

TKGS · « **Reply #6 on:** August 23, 2011, 08:38:28 PM »

I have heard CD talks in which this doctrine is discussed by CMRI priests, and I've never heard anything not in line with Catholic Dogma.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2011, 08:44:57 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal

Quote from: s2srea
Please expand, if you don't mind...

They do not want to believe many people they know are going to hell because these people they know refuse to believe there is no salvation outside the Church. If I would get too vocal about this issue I would get kicked out of the Church where I attend mass.

Maybe you are confusing the teaching that no one is to judge the soul of another person no matter how it might look, that too is Catholic teaching. Of course CMRI believe no salvation outside the church, but what I am trying to say is, they also can not say FOR SURE, if a particular person dies, that he was not saved by the grace of God.

Why are you so worried about being kicked out of a Church, when you are here with a username?

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #8 on:** August 24, 2011, 04:45:53 AM »

Please do not cut off the quote there, as Archbishop Lefebvre said:

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"Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion."

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #9 on:** August 24, 2011, 05:06:43 AM »

No, he is not. He is saying that nobody can be saved but by the Church.

But I think we have more than enough BOD discussion threads, so we don´t need to start again. If you ask me whether Lefebvre believed in BOD, I certainly answer "yes", as any other doctrine is unheard of in Europe, especially as the Archbishop received a sound Thomistic formation.

Daegus · « **Reply #10 on:** August 24, 2011, 01:49:55 PM »

I don't quite understand how someone can be saved while outside of the Church and yet be saved by the Church when there is no salvation outside the Church.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #11 on:** August 24, 2011, 02:23:38 PM »

Quote from: Daegus

I don't quite understand how someone can be saved while outside of the Church and yet be saved by the Church when there is no salvation outside the Church.

The Church instituted by Christ saves us all. Those that are outside the Church, SOME eventually do come into the Church and then they are saved by the Church. We don't know who came in at the last moment of their life but a few do, it is sort of like the story of the vineyard, where some people worked all day, and some came to work in the last hour, but they all received the same payment. HEAVEN.

s2srea · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2011, 02:33:34 PM »

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Non-Catholics are outside the Church. Do you believe anyone could be saved BY the Church?

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I don't quite understand how someone can be saved while outside of the Church and yet be saved by the Church when there is no salvation outside the Church.

Do you have to understand it to believe what has been taught by the Church? If you don't understand, as Phyrros mentioned, there are plenty of threads on this forum about it.

Do this (since the search tool here stinks). In the search toolbar above, type in this:

BOD site:cathinfo.com

There is plenty of discussion on it already.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2011, 03:02:51 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal

Quote from: Gregory I
What teaching of the CMRI does not line up with the Church?

Outside the Church there is no Salvation.

The CMRI teach EXACTLY what the Church teaches on that subject. The SSPX also teaches the same. Maybe you are listening to the Diamonds?