Author Topic: Public Heretics and Loss of Office in the Catholic Church (Read 2456 times)

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:33:32 AM »

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I think my posts speaks for itself in regards to why the pope issue not just a secondary or side issue. The Church is the spotless bride of Christ. She is both infallible and indefectible. Here human aspect is that she is filled with sinners. Her divine aspect is that she is infallible not only in solemn definitions but in her ordinary magisterium. She is infallible in her discipline and liturgy as well. She is indefectible in all her official actions.

1. Councils

2. Sacraments

3. Liturgy

4. Canon Law

5. Canonization of Saints

She cannot give us poison or anything that will put our souls in danger. She is prevented from doing this.

Mr. Bergolio and the Novus Ordo Church are not prevented from doing this because they are not protected by the Holy Ghost and do not have Christ's guarantee because it is not the Church He founded.

Yes, this is how I was taught in Catholic Schools, and this is what I will have to answer for when I stand before God, which is why sedevacantist a Catholic position is what I embrace with the Grace of God.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:39:16 AM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Quote from: Lover of Truth
I think my posts speaks for itself in regards to why the pope issue not just a secondary or side issue. The Church is the spotless bride of Christ. She is both infallible and indefectible. Here human aspect is that she is filled with sinners. Her divine aspect is that she is infallible not only in solemn definitions but in her ordinary magisterium. She is infallible in her discipline and liturgy as well. She is indefectible in all her official actions.

1. Councils

2. Sacraments

3. Liturgy

4. Canon Law

5. Canonization of Saints

She cannot give us poison or anything that will put our souls in danger. She is prevented from doing this.

Mr. Bergolio and the Novus Ordo Church are not prevented from doing this because they are not protected by the Holy Ghost and do not have Christ's guarantee because it is not the Church He founded.

Yes, this is how I was taught in Catholic Schools, and this is what I will have to answer for when I stand before God, which is why sedevacantist a Catholic position is what I embrace with the Grace of God.

Thank you.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:41:19 AM »

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Her divine aspect is that she is infallible not only in solemn definitions but in her ordinary magisterium. She is infallible in her discipline and liturgy as well. She is indefectible in all her official actions.

1. Councils

2. Sacraments

3. Liturgy

4. Canon Law

5. Canonization of Saints

This is a vast over-simplification and just not true.
Canon law is NOT infallible. If so, why do we need different iterations of it?

Councils are NOT infallible. History has numerous councils which have been erroneous.

The liturgy is NOT infallible. If so, then why did St Pius V need to codify the missal?

The only thing I agree with is the sacraments, however we must distinguish in the sacraments between the matter/form and the ritual/prayers which surround them, and which were developed by the Church over the centuries. The matter/form is from Christ; the rituals/prayers are man made additions.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:43:56 AM »

Can you answer my other question?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2016, 10:03:06 AM »

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Her divine aspect is that she is infallible not only in solemn definitions but in her ordinary magisterium. She is infallible in her discipline and liturgy as well. She is indefectible in all her official actions.

1. Councils

2. Sacraments

3. Liturgy

4. Canon Law

5. Canonization of Saints

This is a vast over-simplification and just not true.
Canon law is NOT infallible. If so, why do we need different iterations of it?

Councils are NOT infallible. History has numerous councils which have been erroneous.

The liturgy is NOT infallible. If so, then why did St Pius V need to codify the missal?

The only thing I agree with is the sacraments, however we must distinguish in the sacraments between the matter/form and the ritual/prayers which surround them, and which were developed by the Church over the centuries. The matter/form is from Christ; the rituals/prayers are man made additions.

The way it was taught to me was your above objections can further develop as long as the original idea does not change.