Author Topic: Public Heresy (Read 763 times)

Lover of Truth · « **on:** October 23, 2013, 01:41:11 PM »

I had been trying to find this for a while now:

Saint Alphonsus
If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate.” Oeuvres Complètes. 9:232

He does not have to be teaching in his official capacity to fall from the papacy. His heresy just has to be public.

These days everything he says is spread world-wide and taken as being taught by the Pope as Pope unless he were to clarify and say this is only my personal opinion. But even then the truth would need to be brought to him and he would have to accept it.

The teaching shows that heresy and the papacy are incompatible.

This was clear in better days. But now that "Popes" always teach heresy we try to come up with a new theology to defend him.

soulguard · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2013, 08:26:47 AM »

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I had been trying to find this for a while now:

Saint Alphonsus
If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate.” Oeuvres Complètes. 9:232

He does not have to be teaching in his official capacity to fall from the papacy. His heresy just has to be public.

These days everything he says is spread world-wide and taken as being taught by the Pope as Pope unless he were to clarify and say this is only my personal opinion. But even then the truth would need to be brought to him and he would have to accept it.

The teaching shows that heresy and the papacy are incompatible.

This was clear in better days. But now that "Popes" always teach heresy we try to come up with a new theology to defend him.

Quotes like these from Saints and Popes are the reason I believe in Sedevacantism.

There is nothing from anyone saying we should tolerate a "pope" who is evil and destroying the church apart from the saying that the pope cannot be judged by anybody - which we know is a recipe for disaster.
If people don't oppose him, and you think he is the pope, then he will be an obstacle to a true pope, and he WILL destroy the church, and this has happened, and in 50 years the church will be dead because of it, all that remains will be trads, SV holders among them. The SSPX will change their position on the "pope" eventually, and will unite with groups like CMRI, and they will elect a true pope.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2013, 08:41:32 AM »

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Quotes like these from Saints and Popes are the reason I believe in Sedevacantism.

There is nothing from anyone saying we should tolerate a "pope" who is evil and destroying the church apart from the saying that the pope cannot be judged by anybody - which we know is a recipe for disaster.

If people don't oppose him, and you think he is the pope, then he will be an obstacle to a true pope, and he WILL destroy the church, and this has happened, and in 50 years the church will be dead because of it, all that remains will be trads, SV holders among them. The SSPX will change their position on the "pope" eventually, and will unite with groups like CMRI, and they will elect a true pope.

That is very true. People believing and insisting that he is a true Pope does get in the way of our getting a real Pope.

God built his Church on Peter. He did not found His Church on the same Rock which would destroy it.

They have to keep saying about all the conciliar "Popes" "Oh no he did this!" "Oh no he did that!" He destroyed this he changed that (always for the worse) he said this but that can't be true, he said that but that can't be true. He did that but a true Catholic cannot do that? He destroyed the Mass and the Sacraments but a real Pope can't do that? Why is all this happening? It's not because he is not a valid Pope. It has to be for some other reason? ANY other reason.

Poor Catholic Church. Destroyed by the very rock it was built upon.

People seem to be waking up a little. Bergi is kind of forcing them to.

soulguard · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2013, 08:44:12 AM »

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Quotes like these from Saints and Popes are the reason I believe in Sedevacantism.

There is nothing from anyone saying we should tolerate a "pope" who is evil and destroying the church apart from the saying that the pope cannot be judged by anybody - which we know is a recipe for disaster.

If people don't oppose him, and you think he is the pope, then he will be an obstacle to a true pope, and he WILL destroy the church, and this has happened, and in 50 years the church will be dead because of it, all that remains will be trads, SV holders among them. The SSPX will change their position on the "pope" eventually, and will unite with groups like CMRI, and they will elect a true pope.

That is very true. People believing and insisting that he is a true Pope does get in the way of our getting a real Pope.

God built his Church on Peter. He did not found His Church on the same Rock which would destroy it.

They have to keep saying about all the conciliar "Popes" "Oh no he did this!" "Oh no he did that!" He destroyed this he changed that (always for the worse) he said this but that can't be true, he said that but that can't be true. He did that but a true Catholic cannot do that? He destroyed the Mass and the Sacraments but a real Pope can't do that? Why is all this happening? It's not because he is not a valid Pope. It has to be for some other reason? ANY other reason.

Poor Catholic Church. Destroyed by the very rock it was built upon.

People seem to be waking up a little. Bergi is kind of forcing them to.

People should know more of the prophesies about the apostasy in the church.
:reading:

soulguard · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2013, 08:45:18 AM »

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Quotes like these from Saints and Popes are the reason I believe in Sedevacantism.

There is nothing from anyone saying we should tolerate a "pope" who is evil and destroying the church apart from the saying that the pope cannot be judged by anybody - which we know is a recipe for disaster.

If people don't oppose him, and you think he is the pope, then he will be an obstacle to a true pope, and he WILL destroy the church, and this has happened, and in 50 years the church will be dead because of it, all that remains will be trads, SV holders among them. The SSPX will change their position on the "pope" eventually, and will unite with groups like CMRI, and they will elect a true pope.

That is very true. People believing and insisting that he is a true Pope does get in the way of our getting a real Pope.

God built his Church on Peter. He did not found His Church on the same Rock which would destroy it.

They have to keep saying about all the conciliar "Popes" "Oh no he did this!" "Oh no he did that!" He destroyed this he changed that (always for the worse) he said this but that can't be true, he said that but that can't be true. He did that but a true Catholic cannot do that? He destroyed the Mass and the Sacraments but a real Pope can't do that? Why is all this happening? It's not because he is not a valid Pope. It has to be for some other reason? ANY other reason.

Poor Catholic Church. Destroyed by the very rock it was built upon.

People seem to be waking up a little. Bergi is kind of forcing them to.

Can I ask, what is the strongest argument that Francis is a valid pope?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2013, 09:13:21 AM »

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Quotes like these from Saints and Popes are the reason I believe in Sedevacantism.

There is nothing from anyone saying we should tolerate a "pope" who is evil and destroying the church apart from the saying that the pope cannot be judged by anybody - which we know is a recipe for disaster.

If people don't oppose him, and you think he is the pope, then he will be an obstacle to a true pope, and he WILL destroy the church, and this has happened, and in 50 years the church will be dead because of it, all that remains will be trads, SV holders among them. The SSPX will change their position on the "pope" eventually, and will unite with groups like CMRI, and they will elect a true pope.

That is very true. People believing and insisting that he is a true Pope does get in the way of our getting a real Pope.

God built his Church on Peter. He did not found His Church on the same Rock which would destroy it.

They have to keep saying about all the conciliar "Popes" "Oh no he did this!" "Oh no he did that!" He destroyed this he changed that (always for the worse) he said this but that can't be true, he said that but that can't be true. He did that but a true Catholic cannot do that? He destroyed the Mass and the Sacraments but a real Pope can't do that? Why is all this happening? It's not because he is not a valid Pope. It has to be for some other reason? ANY other reason.

Poor Catholic Church. Destroyed by the very rock it was built upon.

People seem to be waking up a little. Bergi is kind of forcing them to.

Can I ask, what is the strongest argument that Francis is a valid pope?

Don't you see the clothes he wears?

soulguard · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2013, 09:26:13 AM »

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Quote from: Lover of Truth
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Quotes like these from Saints and Popes are the reason I believe in Sedevacantism.

There is nothing from anyone saying we should tolerate a "pope" who is evil and destroying the church apart from the saying that the pope cannot be judged by anybody - which we know is a recipe for disaster.

If people don't oppose him, and you think he is the pope, then he will be an obstacle to a true pope, and he WILL destroy the church, and this has happened, and in 50 years the church will be dead because of it, all that remains will be trads, SV holders among them. The SSPX will change their position on the "pope" eventually, and will unite with groups like CMRI, and they will elect a true pope.

That is very true. People believing and insisting that he is a true Pope does get in the way of our getting a real Pope.

God built his Church on Peter. He did not found His Church on the same Rock which would destroy it.

They have to keep saying about all the conciliar "Popes" "Oh no he did this!" "Oh no he did that!" He destroyed this he changed that (always for the worse) he said this but that can't be true, he said that but that can't be true. He did that but a true Catholic cannot do that? He destroyed the Mass and the Sacraments but a real Pope can't do that? Why is all this happening? It's not because he is not a valid Pope. It has to be for some other reason? ANY other reason.

Poor Catholic Church. Destroyed by the very rock it was built upon.

People seem to be waking up a little. Bergi is kind of forcing them to.

Can I ask, what is the strongest argument that Francis is a valid pope?

Don't you see the clothes he wears?

I see the white he wears, but it shines so brightly that I am blinded by it,
others tell me of his renoun, since I cant see him, perhaps he is an angel of light, but I hear him, and I hear heresy, they say Lucifer was an angel of light, but this man speaks heresy, perhaps he is not lucfifer, but is a heretic of some importance, perhaps sent by him,
the heresies he manifests confirm this.
:king:

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2013, 09:59:45 AM »

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Quotes like these from Saints and Popes are the reason I believe in Sedevacantism.

There is nothing from anyone saying we should tolerate a "pope" who is evil and destroying the church apart from the saying that the pope cannot be judged by anybody - which we know is a recipe for disaster.

If people don't oppose him, and you think he is the pope, then he will be an obstacle to a true pope, and he WILL destroy the church, and this has happened, and in 50 years the church will be dead because of it, all that remains will be trads, SV holders among them. The SSPX will change their position on the "pope" eventually, and will unite with groups like CMRI, and they will elect a true pope.

That is very true. People believing and insisting that he is a true Pope does get in the way of our getting a real Pope.

God built his Church on Peter. He did not found His Church on the same Rock which would destroy it.

They have to keep saying about all the conciliar "Popes" "Oh no he did this!" "Oh no he did that!" He destroyed this he changed that (always for the worse) he said this but that can't be true, he said that but that can't be true. He did that but a true Catholic cannot do that? He destroyed the Mass and the Sacraments but a real Pope can't do that? Why is all this happening? It's not because he is not a valid Pope. It has to be for some other reason? ANY other reason.

Poor Catholic Church. Destroyed by the very rock it was built upon.

People seem to be waking up a little. Bergi is kind of forcing them to.

Can I ask, what is the strongest argument that Francis is a valid pope?

Don't you see the clothes he wears?

I see the white he wears, but it shines so brightly that I am blinded by it,
others tell me of his renoun, since I cant see him, perhaps he is an angel of light, but I hear him, and I hear heresy, they say Lucifer was an angel of light, but this man speaks heresy, perhaps he is not lucfifer, but is a heretic of some importance, perhaps sent by him,
the heresies he manifests confirm this.
:king:

I get the impression that he is not so bright. His two predecessors were. Hey may or may not be sincere. But he does seem to hate tradition and the Catholic Church.

The Novus Ordo anti-Catholic Church may soon get a line of unordained people who teach public heresy but really don't know better.

It is interesting that he is probably a first lay-person in a line of potential successors who is not even remotely Catholic in any way or any of his theological beliefs. That is what the Novus Ordo anti-Catholic religion has to look forward to. That is what the SSPX types will have to continue to defend, I suppose even more vehemently, as being valid Popes that we pretend isn't there when it comes to listening to him or obeying them. Yay Pope! :rahrah:

Good luck with that.