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Offline Quo Vadis Petre

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Pius IX was a Mason?
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2013, 02:28:48 PM »
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  • Two quotes by Metternich:

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    Admirers of the press honour it with the title, 'representative of public opinion', though everything written in the papers is nothing but the expression of those who write. Will the value of being the expression of public opinion ever be attributed to the publications of a Government, even of a Republican Government? Surely not! Yet every obscure journalist claims this value for his own products. What a confusion of ideas!


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    The downfall of empires always directly depends upon the spread of unbelief. For this very reason religious belief, the first of virtues, is the strongest power. It alone curbs attack and makes resistance irresistible. Religion cannot decline in a nation without causing that nation's strength also to decline, and the fall of states does not proceed in arithmetical progression according to the law of falling bodies, but rapidly leads to destruction.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    Offline roscoe

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    Pius IX was a Mason?
    « Reply #16 on: March 15, 2013, 05:55:05 PM »
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  • Pius IX was a deciple of Pius VII & his attempt to reconcile the revolutionaries to the Church comes from that Pope. His amnesty was conditional and an act of grace. Once this was abused, there was no more.

    It was Metternich and later Franz- Joseph who were the freemasons.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #17 on: March 16, 2013, 04:30:44 AM »
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  • Then 1848 would have a reason.

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    Pius IX was a Mason?
    « Reply #18 on: March 16, 2013, 05:36:44 AM »
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  • Here's a few lines in defence of Pius IX sent to me from a good friend a while back.


    "The story of the sainted Pius IX is cut from the same cloth (as the story of
    Benedict XIV). 'It started in Germany,', says John Gilmary Shea, in the "Life
    of Pope Pius IX", pp. 291, 292, "and they thought that by putting the scene in
    America, they would escape detection. They declared positively that Pius IX
    had been received into a Masonic lodge in Philadelphia, cited his discourses,
    and declared that a number of his autographs were preserved in the lodge.
    Unfortunately for the story, Philadelphia is in the civilized world. People there
    could read and write. They examined the story and found there was no
    Masonic lodge in that city by the name given; they found that no lodge in
    Philadelphia had ever received John Mary Mastai; they could find no trace of
    his ever having been there, as he never was; no lodge had any of his
    autograph letters; Masons themselves attested that the whole (story) was a
    pure invention. The slander thus refuted has been revived from time to time
    but in later versions care is taken not to specify the lodge or city too
    distinctly."

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    « Reply #19 on: March 18, 2013, 10:43:52 PM »
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    « Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 12:20:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    Then 1848 would have a reason.


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    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #21 on: March 21, 2013, 09:14:13 PM »
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    Can somebody examine these writings?


    Is there some reason you can't examine his writings yourself if you are actually even considering the possibility that this great pope was a Mason?  Come on now...
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir