Author Topic: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source (Read 3006 times)

St Giles · « **on:** April 19, 2024, 06:30:03 PM »

I found this quote below in a SSPX pamphlet. I looked it up to find some context and can't find the full quote because the sermon is just a paraphrased summary. Is there a recording somewhere of the full sermon?

"We believed that after the Council would come a day of sunshine in the history of the Church. But instead there has come a day of clouds and storms, and of darkness.... How did this come about? We will confide to you the thought that may be, we ourselves admit in free discussion, that may be unfounded, and that is that there has been a power, an adversary power. Let us call him by his name: the devil. It is as if from some mysterious crack, no, it is not mysterious, from some crack the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God." Pope Paul VI Sermon on June 29, 1972

Angelus · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2024, 07:00:45 PM »

Homily on the Smoke of Satan

St Giles · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2024, 08:02:24 PM »

I wonder how accurate is the translation of what I quoted, or is it just the SSPX's words? The google translation just doesn't come across the same. The SSPX translation looks a bit odd, but otherwise can strongly imply that Paul VI knew how the smoke of Satan entered the Church. But, if someone were to look up the quote, they will find it was reordered and composed from a summary to sound like a direct quote from him. That kind of ruins their credibility, not a good start for a pamphlet to convert people.

PAT317 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2024, 08:26:43 PM »

Quote from: St Giles on April 19, 2024, 08:02:24 PM

I wonder how accurate is the translation of what I quoted, or is it just the SSPX's words? The google translation just doesn't come across the same. The SSPX translation looks a bit odd, but otherwise can strongly imply that Paul VI knew how the smoke of Satan entered the Church. But, if someone were to look up the quote, they will find it was reordered and composed from a summary to sound like a direct quote from him. That kind of ruins their credibility, not a good start for a pamphlet to convert people.

Is this the paraphrased summary you are referring to? And by translation, do you mean if you click on the "English" option on the page?

https://tinyurl.com/smoke-sermon

Giovanni Berto · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2024, 08:53:05 PM »

I have made a quick search for the smoke of Satan phrase in Italian and I could find nothing but the paraphrases.

There is not, apparently, a full transcript of the homily. Kind of strange, considering how (in)famous this quote became.

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