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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2024, 11:30:43 PM »
Montini was clearly trying to spin it as the devil trying to ruin the wonderful work of Vatican II ... even though he knew the intent was to destroy.  I don't think it had anything to do with +Lefebvre.  He saw the fruits of the Council manifesting themselves, and was basically saying that it wasn't the Council itself, so don't blame it ... but the devil sneaking in to sabotage its great work.
I wonder if it was satanic mockery, i.e they were the smoke of satan clearly telling us what they are doing and if we don't stand up then we want it.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2024, 08:05:37 AM »
I wonder if it was satanic mockery, i.e they were the smoke of satan clearly telling us what they are doing and if we don't stand up then we want it.

I believe that's exactly what it was.  On the surface, it could have been taken as his lamenting Satan's intrusion into the Church, whereas he may very well have been exulting in it.


Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2024, 08:26:19 AM »
Folks, for crying out loud. When are you gonna grasp this. Montini was referring to Lefebrve as being the smoke. He wasn't lamenting the BS that he implemented. He was chastising those that weren't getting with the program.
I agree that this was what it was.  I do think that most people just don't realize it.  I know I didn't for a long time.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2024, 08:50:15 AM »
I agree that this was what it was.  I do think that most people just don't realize it.  I know I didn't for a long time.

I don't think so.  SSPX was almost nothing in 1972, and posed no threat whatsoever.  I think people are imposing in hindsight what the SSPX later became onto that time period.  There were little enclaves of Traditional Catholicism all over the world, and this was viewed as one of them.

By 1972, the seminaries and convents were emptying out, Montini sat at his desk approving one request for laicization of priests after another ... and the devastation of V2 was unfolding.

I agree with the NO Watch take above.  Montini's intent was to spin the obvious devastation as the "smoke of Satan" ... rather than admitting that V2 was at fault, although that had in fact been his intention, so what was presented on the surface as a lament was really his exulting in the fact that he had gotten Satan into the Church.

Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2024, 09:10:39 AM »
He clearly speaks against Lefebrve in this Allocution:

Antipope Paul VI, Allocution to the Consistory of May 24, 1976 – Novus Ordo Watch