Author Topic: Protecting child molesting prists in Milwaulkee (Read 2956 times)

Caraffa · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2013, 01:41:16 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

Fellay excommunicates good and holy priests and says nothing about Vatican ll pervert hierarchy and priests.

That's because Bishop Fellay unfortunately has similar bad characteristics to those who cover up abuse either willfully or through neglect, namely narcissism and perhaps sociopathic; both of which tend to engage in the mortal sin of habitual lying.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #16 on:** July 14, 2013, 09:32:55 PM »

These people have no shame. Francis once said in his writings that for him, sin is "not a stain I need to clean". So it's no big deal for him and those such as Dolan and the conciliar church to cover up sex abuse cases.

The fact that Bishop Fellay wants to be united to these modernists is sick.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2013, 12:30:51 AM »

Quote from: Caraffa

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
Fellay excommunicates good and holy priests and says nothing about Vatican ll pervert hierarchy and priests.

That's because Bishop Fellay unfortunately has similar bad characteristics to those who cover up abuse either willfully or through neglect, namely narcissism and perhaps sociopathic; both of which tend to engage in the mortal sin of habitual

The hierarchy of Rome persecuted and excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre for breaking vow of disobedience while at same time protecting protecting rapists ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs And other perverts who broke vows of chastity and poverty.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2013, 12:32:52 AM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

Quote from: Caraffa
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
Fellay excommunicates good and holy priests and says nothing about Vatican ll pervert hierarchy and priests.

That's because Bishop Fellay unfortunately has similar bad characteristics to those who cover up abuse either willfully or through neglect, namely narcissism and perhaps sociopathic; both of which tend to engage in the mortal sin of habitual

The hierarchy of Rome persecuted and excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre for breaking vow of disobedience while at same time the vatican was protecting protecting rapists ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs And other perverts who broke vows of chastity and poverty.

Sigismund · « **Reply #19 on:** July 16, 2013, 06:55:08 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

Fellay excommunicates good and holy priests and says nothing about Vatican ll pervert hierarchy and priests.

I am sorry if I seem to quibble, but Bishop Fellay has no jurisdiction and lacks the power to excommunicate anyone.

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2013, 05:50:35 PM »

Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti

Francis once said in his writings that for him, sin is "not a stain I need to clean".

Can you provide a reference?

poche · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2013, 10:53:16 PM »

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Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Francis once said in his writings that for him, sin is "not a stain I need to clean".

Can you provide a reference?

I believe that that is being quoted out of context

poche · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2013, 11:07:54 PM »

"Timothy Dolan who, during his time as archbishop of Milwaukee from 2002 to 2009, appealed to Vatican on numerous occasions to help address the ongoing fallout from the scandal."

It appears that the archbishop was trying to get rid of the bad priests and the Vatican was moving very slow.

"During a news conference on Monday, Jeff Anderson, an attorney representing more than 500 abuse victims, said the money was to be used to "pay off some of the offenders to quietly go away."

Here after trying to get rid of these scandelous problem priests the archbishop did offer payments to make these priests go away. When the Vatican was moving slow in their response to his efforts, he did what he believed was the most effective, he offered money. Which is preferable? having these guys hang around the rectory and maybe do something else while waiting for the slow wheels of the Vatican and the maneuvers of a good canon lawyer to slow things up even more? or get rid of them quickly?

"The 6,000 pages of docuмents related to eight decades of abuse cases"
How much of this is Dolan and how much of this is from his predecessors?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2013, 11:22:45 AM »

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Francis once said in his writings that for him, sin is "not a stain I need to clean".

Can you provide a reference?

Yes. From the book "Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio" (pages 120-121):

Quote

I often say that the only glory we have, as Saint Paul says, is that of being sinners.

That is why, for me, sin is not a stain I need to clean.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2013, 11:24:25 AM »

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Quote from: MiserereMeiDeus
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Francis once said in his writings that for him, sin is "not a stain I need to clean".

Can you provide a reference?

I believe that that is being quoted out of context

No other way to interpret it.

St. Paul also never said that there's anything "glorious" about being a sinner.

Sigismund · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2013, 08:24:51 PM »

Quote from: poche

"Timothy Dolan who, during his time as archbishop of Milwaukee from 2002 to 2009, appealed to Vatican on numerous occasions to help address the ongoing fallout from the scandal."

It appears that the archbishop was trying to get rid of the bad priests and the Vatican was moving very slow.

"During a news conference on Monday, Jeff Anderson, an attorney representing more than 500 abuse victims, said the money was to be used to "pay off some of the offenders to quietly go away."

Here after trying to get rid of these scandelous problem priests the archbishop did offer payments to make these priests go away. When the Vatican was moving slow in their response to his efforts, he did what he believed was the most effective, he offered money. Which is preferable? having these guys hang around the rectory and maybe do something else while waiting for the slow wheels of the Vatican and the maneuvers of a good canon lawyer to slow things up even more? or get rid of them quickly?

"The 6,000 pages of docuмents related to eight decades of abuse cases"
How much of this is Dolan and how much of this is from his predecessors?

He did not need permission from the Vatican to suspend them. Only the Vatican can laicize them.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2013, 09:20:41 PM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: MiserereMeiDeus
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Francis once said in his writings that for him, sin is "not a stain I need to clean".

Can you provide a reference?

I believe that that is being quoted out of context

Do you have the full quote?

poche · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2013, 11:10:04 PM »

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Quote from: poche
"Timothy Dolan who, during his time as archbishop of Milwaukee from 2002 to 2009, appealed to Vatican on numerous occasions to help address the ongoing fallout from the scandal."

It appears that the archbishop was trying to get rid of the bad priests and the Vatican was moving very slow.

"During a news conference on Monday, Jeff Anderson, an attorney representing more than 500 abuse victims, said the money was to be used to "pay off some of the offenders to quietly go away."

Here after trying to get rid of these scandelous problem priests the archbishop did offer payments to make these priests go away. When the Vatican was moving slow in their response to his efforts, he did what he believed was the most effective, he offered money. Which is preferable? having these guys hang around the rectory and maybe do something else while waiting for the slow wheels of the Vatican and the maneuvers of a good canon lawyer to slow things up even more? or get rid of them quickly?

"The 6,000 pages of docuмents related to eight decades of abuse cases"
How much of this is Dolan and how much of this is from his predecessors?

He did not need permission from the Vatican to suspend them. Only the Vatican can laicize them.

Yes and in the process of laicization if it is involuntary there can be delays and appeals if there is a good canon lawyer. Years and years of hanging around the rectory or house of residence waiting for a mistaken opportunity to say mass or something else that could put this cretin in access of children under the responsibility of the bishop. the payoff that Dolan offered them speeded up the laicization process.

poche · « **Reply #28 on:** July 31, 2013, 03:20:08 AM »

A federal judge has ruled that the Milwaukee archdiocese was justified in setting up a $50 million trust fund for the care of cemeteries.

Creditors of the archdiocese, which is now in bankruptcy, had argued that Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who was then Archbishop of Milwaukee, acted improperly to set up the trust fund. The creditors argued that the fund was created in order to shield archdiocesan funds from plaintiffs in sex-abuse lawsuits. Cardinal Dolan had replied that establishing the fund was mandated by state laws, which require secure funding for cemeteries.

Federal Judge Rudoph Randa sided with the archdiocese, ruling that the cemetery funds could not be included in a listing of assets available for payment of archdiocesan creditors.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=18620

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #29 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:39:07 PM »

The Diocese of Milwaukee is in bankruptcy?

So is the Diocese of Spokane, WA.

Any others?

:wink: The Diocese of Belleville could disappear and I wouldn't notice... :wink: