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« on: June 20, 2015, 01:38:32 PM »
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  • This alleged vision is attributed to the Orthodx Fr. John of Kronstadt. He rejected the papacy and papal infallibility. Nevertheless I am sure that you will not find anything objectionable here.

    Full account with additional commentary: http://www.imdleo.gr/diaf/files/english/St_John_Kron/st_john_vision.html

      St. John of Kronstadt, Russia (1829-1908), relates the following vision he had in January, 1901:

           After evening prayers I laid down to rest a little in my dimly lit cell since I was fatigued. Hanging before the icon of the Mother of God was my lampada. Not more than a half hour had passed when I heard a soft rustle. Someone touched my left shoulder, and in a tender voice said to me, "Arise John, servant of God, and follow the will of God!"
         I arose and saw near the window a glorious starets1 (elder) with frosty grey hair, wearing a black mantle and holding a staff in his hand. He looked at me tenderly and I could scarcely keep myself from falling because of my great fear. My hands and feet trembled, and I wanted to speak, but my tongue would not obey me. The starets made the sign of the cross over me, and soon I felt calm and joy. Then I made the sign of the cross myself.

         01.  He then pointed to the western wall of my cell with his staff in order that I should notice a certain spot. The starets had inscribed on the wall the following numbers: 1913, 1914, 1917, 1922, 1924, and 1934.

        02.  Suddenly the wall vanished, and I walked with the starets (elder) toward a green field and saw a mass of crosses, thousands, standing as grave-markers. They were wooden, clay, or gold. I asked the starets, - "what are these crosses for?" He softly answered, "These crosses are for those who suffered and were murdered for their faith in Christ and for the Word of God and have become martyrs!" And so we continued to walk.

         03. Suddenly I saw an entire river of blood and asked the starets, "What is the meaning of this blood? How much has been spilled?" The starets looked around and replied, "This is the blood of true Christians!"

         04. The starets then pointed to some clouds, and I saw a mass of burning white lamps. They began to fall to the ground, one after another, by the tens and by the hundreds. During their descent they grew dim and turned to ashes.
        The starets then said to me, "Look!" I saw on a cloud seven burning lamps. I asked, "What is the meaning of the burning lamps which fell to the ground?" He said, "Those are the churches of God which have fallen into heresy, but these seven lamps on the clouds are the seven Churches of the One Catholic and Apostolic Church which will remain until the end of the world!"

        05. The starets then pointed high into the air and I saw and heard angels singing, "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord of Sabaoth!" Then a large crowd of people with candles in their hands passed by with joy on their shining faces. They were archbishops, monks, nuns, groups of laymen, young adults, and even children and babies. I asked the wonderworking starets, "what do these people represent?" He responded, "All these people are those who suffered for the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, and for the holy icons at the hands of the wicked destroyers."
         I then asked the great starets if I could sit down next to them. The starets said, "It is too early for you to suffer, so joining them would not be blessed by God!" Again I saw a large group of infants who had suffered for Christ under Herod2 and had received crowns from the Heavenly King.

        06. We walked further and went into a large church. I wanted to make the sign of the cross, but the starets said, "It is not appropriate to cross yourself because this is a place of the abomination of desolation3!" The church was very gloomy. On the altar were a star and a Gospel book with stars. Candles made of tar were burning and crackling like firewood. The chalice was standing there covered by a strong stench.
         There was a prosphoro4 with stars. A priest stood before the altar with a face like pitch and a woman was under the altar covered in red with a star on her lips and she screamed and laughed throughout the church saying, "I am free!" I thought: "Oh, Lord, how awful!"
         The people, like madmen, began to run around the altar, scream, whistle, and clap their hands. Then they began to sing lecherous songs. Suddenly lightning flashed, a frightening thunderbolt resounded, the earth trembled, and the church collapsed, sending the woman, the people, the priest, and the rest into the abyss. I thought: "Oh Lord, how awful. Save us!"
        The starets saw what had happened, as did I. I asked, "Father, tell me, what is the meaning of this frightening church?" He responded, "These are the earthly people, heretics who have abandoned the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and recognized the newly innovated church which God has not blessed. In this church they do not fast, nor do they attend services or receive Holy Communion!" I was frightened and said, "The Lord has pity on us, but curses those with death!" The starets interrupted me and said, "Do not mourn, just pray!"

        07. Then I saw a throng of people, each of whom had a star on his lips and was terribly exhausted from thirst, walking here and there. They saw us and yelled loudly, "Holy Fathers, pray for us. It is very hard for us because we ourselves cannot. Our Fathers and Mothers did not teach us the Law of God.5 We do not even have the name of Christ, and we have received no peace. We rejected the Holy Spirit and the sign of the cross!" They began to cry.
       08. I followed after the starets. "Look!", he said pointing with his hand. I saw a mountain of human corpses stained in blood. I was very frightened, and I asked the starets, "What is the meaning of these dead bodies?" He replied, "These are people who lived the monastic life, were rejected by the Antichrist, and did not receive his seal. They suffered for their faith in Christ and the Apostolic Church and received martyrs' crowns dying for Christ. Pray for these servants of God!"
       09. Without warning the starets turned to the north and pointed with his hand. I saw an imperial palace, around which dogs were running. Wild beasts and scorpions were roaring and charging and baring their teeth. And I saw the Tsar sitting on a throne. His face was pale, but brave. He was reciting the Jesus Prayer.
        Suddenly he fell like a dead man. His crown fell. The wild beasts, dogs, and scorpions trampled on the anointed Sovereign. I was frightened and cried bitterly. The starets took me by my right shoulder. I saw a figure shrouded in white it was Nicholas II. On his head was a wreath of green leaves, and his face was white and somewhat bloodied. He wore a gold cross around his neck and was quietly whispering a prayer. And then he said to me with tears, "Pray for me, Fr. John. Tell all Orthodox Christians that I, the Tsar-martyr, died bravely for my faith in Christ and the Orthodox Church. Tell the Holy Fathers that they should serve a Pannychida6 for me, a sinner, but there will be no grave for me!" Soon everything became hidden in the fog. I cried bitterly praying for the Tsar-martyr. My hands and feet trembled from fear.
        10. The starets said, "Look!" Then I saw throngs of people scattered about the land who had died from starvation while others were eating grass and vegetation. Dogs were devouring the bodies of the dead, and the stench was terrible. I thought, "Oh Lord, these people had no faith". From their lips they expelled blasphemy, and for this they received God's anger.
       11. I also saw an entire mountain of books and among the books worms were crawling emitting a terrible stench. I asked the starets, "what was the meaning of these books?" He said, "These books are the Godlessness and blasphemy which will infect all Christians with heretical teachings!" Then the starets touched his staff to some of the books, and they ignited into flames. The wind scattered the ashes.
        12. Further on, I saw a church around which was a large pile of prayer intentions for the departed. I bent over and wanted to read them, but the starets said, "These prayer requests for the dead have been lying here for many years, and the priests have forgotten about them. They are never going to read them, but the dead will ask someone to pray for them!" I asked, "Who, will they get to pray for them?" The starets answered, "The Angels will pray for them!"
        13. We proceeded further, and the starets quickened the pace so that I could hardly keep up with him. "Look!" he said. I saw a large crowd of people being persecuted by demons who were beating them with stakes, pitchforks, and hooks. I asked the starets, "What is the meaning of these people?" He answered: "These are the ones who renounced their faith and left the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and accepted the new innovative church. This group represents priests, monks, nuns, and laymen who renounced their vows or marriage, and engaged in drinking and all sorts of blasphemy and slander. All of these have terrible faces and a terrible stench comes from their mouths. The demons beat them, driving them into the terrible abyss, from where hell fire comes forth." I was terribly frightened. I made the sign of the cross while praying, Lord deliver us from such a fate!
         14. I then saw a group of people, both old and young, all of whom were badly dressed, and who were raising a large, five pointed star. On each corner were twelve demons and in the middle was Satan himself with terrifying horns and a straw head. He emitted a noxious foam onto the people while pronouncing these words,  "œArise you accursed ones with my seal... "

          Suddenly many demons appeared with branding irons and on all the people they placed the seal: on their lips, above the elbow7 and on their right hands. I asked the starets, "What is the meaning of this?" He responded, "This is the mark of the Antichrist!" I made the sign of the cross and followed after the starets.
         15. He suddenly stopped and pointed to the east with his hand. I saw a large gathering of people with joyous faces carrying crosses and candles in their hands. In their midst stood a large altar as white as snow. On the altar were the cross and the Holy Gospel and over the altar was the vosduch8 with a golden imperial crown on which was written in golden letters: "For the short term." Patriarchs, bishops, priests, monks, nuns, and laymen stood around the altar. They were all singing, "Glory to God in the highest and peace on Earth!" Out of great joy I made the sign of the cross and praised God.

       16. Suddenly the starets waved his cross upwards three times, and I saw a mountain of corpses covered in human blood and above them Angels were flying. They were taking the souls of those murdered for the Word of God to heaven while they sang "Alleluia!"
         I observed all this and cried loudly. The starets took me by the hand and forbade me to cry. "What is pleasing to God is that Our Lord Jesus Christ suffered and shed His precious blood for us. Such ones will become martyrs who do not accept the seal of the antichrist, and all who shed their blood will receive heavenly crowns." The starets then prayed for these servants of God and pointed to the east as the words of the Prophet Daniel came true, "Abomination of desolation."
        17. Finally, I saw the cupola of the church in Jerusalem. Above it was a star. Within the church myriads of people crowded and still many more were trying to enter inside. I wanted to make the sign of the cross, but the starets grabbed my hand and said, "Here is the abomination of desolation!"
        So we entered into the church, and it was full of people. I saw an altar on which tallow candles were burning. On the altar was a king in red, blazing, in porphyry. On his head was a golden crown with a star. I asked the starets, "Who is this?" He replied, "the Antichrist!" He was very tall with eyes like fire, black eyebrows, a wedge-shaped beard, and a ferocious, cunning, evil, and terrible face. He alone was on the altar and he reached his hands out to the people. He had claws as those of a tiger and he shouted, "I am King. I am God. I am the Leader. He who does not have my seal will be put to death."
          All the people fell down and worshipped him, and he began to place his seal on their lips and on their hands in order that they should receive some bread and not die from hunger and thirst. Around the antichrist his servants were leading several people whose hands were bound as they had not bowed down to worship him. They said, "We are Christians, and we all believe in our Lord Jesus Christ!" The Antichrist ripped off their heads in a flash and Christian blood began to flow.
         A child was then led to the altar of the Antichrist to worship him, but he boldly proclaimed, "I am a Christian and believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, but you are a minister, a servant of Satan!" "Death to him!" exclaimed the Antichrist. Others who accepted the seal of the Antichrist fell down and worshipped him.
        18. Suddenly a roar of thunder resounded and a thousand lightning flashes began to sparkle. Arrows began to strike the servants of the Antichrist. Then a large flaming arrow flashed by and hit the Antichrist himself on the head. As he waved his hand, his crown fell and was crushed into the ground. Then millions of birds flew in and perched on the servants of the Antichrist. I felt the starets take me by the hand.
         We walked further on, and I again saw much Christian blood. It was here that I remembered the words of Saint John the Theologian in the book of revelation, that blood would "be up to the horse's bridle." I thought, Oh my God, save us! At that point I saw Angels flying and singing, "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord of Sabaoth!"
        19. The starets looked back and went on to say: "Do not grieve, for soon, very soon, will come the end of the world! Pray to the Lord. God is merciful to His servants!"
        20. Time was drawing near to a close. He pointed to the east, fell to his knees and began to pray. So I prayed with him. Then the starets began to quickly depart from the earth to the heights of heaven. As he did so I remembered that I did not know his name, so I cried out loudly: "Father, what is your name?" He tenderly replied, "Seraphim of Sarov!" This is what I saw and what I have recorded for Orthodox Christians.
        A large bell rang above my head, and I heard the sound and arose from bed. "Lord, bless and help me through the prayers of the great starets! You have enlightened me, the sinful servant, the priest John of Kronstadt."

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    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2015, 01:44:29 PM »
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  • The commentary notes are also so worth reading so follow the link that I provided for those.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 20, 2015, 01:49:46 PM »
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  • The references to stars and the 5 pointed star and the seal of the Antichrist I suspect is the well known Pentagram which is used by occultists/Satanists. It's very widely spread today. 5 is the number of man, 6 is the number of the devil (the 6 pointed star used by the Jews is also used in occultism, I think). It makes sense for the Antichrist to use the number of man, 5, because he is a man and his doctrine is the putting of man in the place of God.

    The occultists have two positions for the Pentagram, namely upright or inverted. The upright Pentagram is supposed to represent good and the inverted Pentagram evil. This is a trick, however. It's the same trick in witchcraft when they speak of "white magic", supposedly good magic, and "black magic", supposedly evil magic. All forms of magic are evil.The Masons also have their white/black chequered floors in their temples which represent the same idea. They are both evil because they both put man in the place of God, even the upright Pentagram and white magic do this.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 20, 2015, 10:08:59 PM »
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  • mcfiggly - thanks, that was a very interesting and worthwhile read.  I had heard of this john who had the vision, but I did not know anything about him.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    « Reply #4 on: June 21, 2015, 05:13:33 AM »
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  • I think that one of the most fascinating things about this vision is how it agrees with so many of the Catholic visions of a similar nature which say that there will be a brief period of victory for the Church before the time of the Antichrist.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 02:13:56 PM »
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  • Makes me wonder why someone who is an overt heretic and schismatic would be the recipient of a "genuine" vision?

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    « Reply #6 on: June 21, 2015, 04:01:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jehanne
    Makes me wonder why someone who is an overt heretic and schismatic would be the recipient of a "genuine" vision?


    'This alleged vision is attributed to the Orthodx Fr. John of Kronstadt. He rejected the papacy and papal infallibility. Nevertheless I am sure that you will not find anything objectionable here.'

    Ok, we are told Fr John was a schismatic and a heretic. We are not told he repented after receiving these visions.

    The visions tell us nothing that is new regarding the Catholic faith. I could put together a story like this. I do not believe God delivers such messages to heretics without telling them they too will rot in hell without repentance.

    I therefore can only come to the conclusion it was the Devil himself allowing Fr John to THINK he was worthy of such a message from heaven. That way he would carry on being a schismatic and heretic and would himself fall into the Hell the message was telling him about.

    This then is a reminder that the Devil is 'the Father of Lies' and can fool anybody.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 22, 2015, 02:10:04 PM »
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  • In fact, the main character in this "vision" denounces the heretics who have left the One Church ... without mentioning it to "St." John that he happened to be one of those heretics.

    This is a fail on every level.

    There's no such thing as a non-Catholic saint.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 23, 2015, 08:31:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: cassini
    Quote from: Jehanne
    Makes me wonder why someone who is an overt heretic and schismatic would be the recipient of a "genuine" vision?


    'This alleged vision is attributed to the Orthodx Fr. John of Kronstadt. He rejected the papacy and papal infallibility. Nevertheless I am sure that you will not find anything objectionable here.'

    Ok, we are told Fr John was a schismatic and a heretic. We are not told he repented after receiving these visions.

    The visions tell us nothing that is new regarding the Catholic faith. I could put together a story like this. I do not believe God delivers such messages to heretics without telling them they too will rot in hell without repentance.

    I therefore can only come to the conclusion it was the Devil himself allowing Fr John to THINK he was worthy of such a message from heaven. That way he would carry on being a schismatic and heretic and would himself fall into the Hell the message was telling him about.

    This then is a reminder that the Devil is 'the Father of Lies' and can fool anybody.


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    In fact, the main character in this "vision" denounces the heretics who have left the One Church ... without mentioning it to "St." John that he happened to be one of those heretics.

    This is a fail on every level.

    There's no such thing as a non-Catholic saint.


    The Church is the ark of salvation, not damnation. You are speaking like the apostle spoke who asked Christ if He would rain fire down on those that had not accepted the Gospel.

    The Church exists to bring people to heaven not to damn them to hell.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 23, 2015, 09:19:20 AM »
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    The Church is the ark of salvation, not damnation. You are speaking like the apostle spoke who asked Christ if He would rain fire down on those that had not accepted the Gospel.

    The Church exists to bring people to heaven not to damn them to hell.


    Ah, yes, religious indifferentism alive and well in the Traditional movement.

    So Noah's Ark was built in order to kill off all those outside of it or to save those who would enter it?  What you wrote doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense.  In fact, the "vision" of your own "St." itself stated that those who were outside the "One True Church" due to heresy were damned.  Only problem is that it refused to define One True Church as = the Catholic Church.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 23, 2015, 03:33:01 PM »
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  • It is a supposed vision intended for the "orthodox" church alone.

    How is that not objectionable?


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    « Reply #11 on: June 23, 2015, 03:54:45 PM »
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  • - a non-Catholic who abandoned the Ark of Salvation.

    he was never catholic so he could not "abandon the Ark"

    being Russian he probably had some prejudice  

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    « Reply #12 on: June 24, 2015, 07:16:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: Jehanne
    Makes me wonder why someone who is an overt heretic and schismatic would be the recipient of a "genuine" vision?


    Or the recipient of the Papal crown.................

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    « Reply #13 on: June 24, 2015, 09:08:31 AM »
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  • Just semantics.  Whether he abandoned it or just never got on board, the simple fact is that he remains outside.


     

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