Author Topic: Prophecy Vision of an Eastern Orthodox Fr. (Read 3979 times)

Jehanne · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2015, 02:13:56 PM »

Makes me wonder why someone who is an overt heretic and schismatic would be the recipient of a "genuine" vision?

cassini · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2015, 04:01:07 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Makes me wonder why someone who is an overt heretic and schismatic would be the recipient of a "genuine" vision?

'This alleged vision is attributed to the Orthodx Fr. John of Kronstadt. He rejected the papacy and papal infallibility. Nevertheless I am sure that you will not find anything objectionable here.'

Ok, we are told Fr John was a schismatic and a heretic. We are not told he repented after receiving these visions.

The visions tell us nothing that is new regarding the Catholic faith. I could put together a story like this. I do not believe God delivers such messages to heretics without telling them they too will rot in hell without repentance.

I therefore can only come to the conclusion it was the Devil himself allowing Fr John to THINK he was worthy of such a message from heaven. That way he would carry on being a schismatic and heretic and would himself fall into the Hell the message was telling him about.

This then is a reminder that the Devil is 'the Father of Lies' and can fool anybody.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2015, 02:10:04 PM »

In fact, the main character in this "vision" denounces the heretics who have left the One Church ... without mentioning it to "St." John that he happened to be one of those heretics.

This is a fail on every level.

There's no such thing as a non-Catholic saint.

McFiggly · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2015, 08:31:35 AM »

Quote from: cassini

Quote from: Jehanne
Makes me wonder why someone who is an overt heretic and schismatic would be the recipient of a "genuine" vision?

'This alleged vision is attributed to the Orthodx Fr. John of Kronstadt. He rejected the papacy and papal infallibility. Nevertheless I am sure that you will not find anything objectionable here.'

Ok, we are told Fr John was a schismatic and a heretic. We are not told he repented after receiving these visions.

The visions tell us nothing that is new regarding the Catholic faith. I could put together a story like this. I do not believe God delivers such messages to heretics without telling them they too will rot in hell without repentance.

I therefore can only come to the conclusion it was the Devil himself allowing Fr John to THINK he was worthy of such a message from heaven. That way he would carry on being a schismatic and heretic and would himself fall into the Hell the message was telling him about.

This then is a reminder that the Devil is 'the Father of Lies' and can fool anybody.

Quote from: Ladislaus

In fact, the main character in this "vision" denounces the heretics who have left the One Church ... without mentioning it to "St." John that he happened to be one of those heretics.

This is a fail on every level.

There's no such thing as a non-Catholic saint.

The Church is the ark of salvation, not damnation. You are speaking like the apostle spoke who asked Christ if He would rain fire down on those that had not accepted the Gospel.

The Church exists to bring people to heaven not to damn them to hell.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2015, 09:19:20 AM »

Quote from: McFiggly

The Church is the ark of salvation, not damnation. You are speaking like the apostle spoke who asked Christ if He would rain fire down on those that had not accepted the Gospel.

The Church exists to bring people to heaven not to damn them to hell.

Ah, yes, religious indifferentism alive and well in the Traditional movement.

So Noah's Ark was built in order to kill off all those outside of it or to save those who would enter it? What you wrote doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense. In fact, the "vision" of your own "St." itself stated that those who were outside the "One True Church" due to heresy were damned. Only problem is that it refused to define One True Church as = the Catholic Church.