Author Topic: Problems with the Catechism of the Catholic Church? (Read 3405 times)

Mark 79 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 30, 2019, 05:14:47 AM »

Poche, you are an unrepentant, willful, serial, habitual liar, even a falsifier of Scripture. Nothing you say can ever be trusted, not even "a" and "the."

You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.

Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301

Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jєωs. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

"We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.

You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jєωs as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jєωs of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms тαℓмυdic Jєωs in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope

You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/

First, there is not one word about the тαℓмυd, not one stinking word.

Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality," Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses." The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers тαℓмυdic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the тαℓмυd" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached тαℓмυdic Noahidism.

"Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!

Praeter · « **Reply #16 on:** November 30, 2019, 08:31:34 PM »

Quote from: Maria Regina on November 25, 2019, 12:10:25 AM

THe worst part of the CCC attacks the Holy Trinity when it states that the "God" of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is the same. We know that Islam and Judaism deny the Holy Trinity because neither "faith" believes that Christ is God. Thus, this statement denies the existence of the Holy Trinity.

I agree that the statement is problematic, but the question I have is this: when do heresies about nature of God, or about the Person and natures of Christ, cause the one who has embraced them to be considered to worship a different God?

Did the Arians worship a different God for believing the Person of Christ was not equal to the Father? Did the Sabellianists worship a different God for believing the Father, Son and Holy Ghost were just three modes or aspects of God? Do the Protestants worship a different God for believing false things about Christ, such as that He did not establish a Church with seven sacraments? At what point to doctrinal errors result in the person worshiping a different God?

We know the Jєωs worshiped the true God before the Trinity had been revealed, so it must also be true that Jєωs today who are sincere and are invincibly ignorant of the Trinity, also worship the true God. Is there also a way to say the Muslims worship the same true God, but in a false way? I'm not saying they do, and I have an aversion for saying they do, but I'm wondering if there is a way to understand the phrase that is not false.

The reason I ask is because Pope St. Gregory VII made a similar statement, and it is at least as bad as Vatican II. Listen to what he wrote to The Mulsim King Anαzιr:

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Pope St. Gregory VII: Bishop Gregory, servant of the servants of God, to Anαzιr, King of the province of Mauretana Sitifensis in Africa.

Your Highness sent to us a request that within a year we would ordain the priest, Servandus, as bishop according to the Christian order. This we have taken pains to do, as your request seemed proper and of good promise. You also sent gifts to us, and released some Christian captives out of regard for St. Peter, chief of the Apostle, and out of love for us, and promised to release others. This good action was inspired in your heart by God, the Creator of all things, without whom we can neither do not think any good thing. He who enlightens every man that cometh into the world (Jn. 1) hath enlightened your mind for this purpose. For there is nothing which Almighty God, who wishes that all men should be saved and that no man should perish (1 Tim 2), more approves in our conduct, than this: that a man should first love God and then his fellow man, and do nothing to him which he would not that others should do to himself (Mt. 7).

This affection we and you owe each other in a more particular way than to people of other races because we believe in and confess one God, although in diverse ways, and daily praise and adore him ["the one God"] as the creator and ruler of the world. For, in the words of the Apostle, ‘He is our peace who hath made both one.’ (Eph. 2).

This grace granted to you by God is admired and praised by many of the Roman nobility who have learned from us of your benevolence and high qualities. Two of these, Alberic and Consius, intimate friends of ours brought up with us from early youth at the Roman court, earnestly desiring to enjoy your friendship and serve your interests here, are sending their messengers to you to let you know how highly they regard your prudence and high character, and how greatly they desire and are able to be of service to you.

In recommending these messengers to Your Highness, we beg you to show them, out of regard for us and in return for the loyalty of the men aforesaid, the same respect which we desire always to show toward you and all who belong to you. For God knows our true regard for you to his glory, and how truly we desire your prosperity and honor, both in this life and in the life to come, and how earnestly we pray both with out lips and with our heart that God himself, after the long journey of this life, may lead you into the bosom of the most holy patriarch Abraham.”

This sounds like it came right from the pen of JP II, but it was written by a sainted Pope.

What is certainly true is that the Muslim religion is false, and their worship of God is false, but does that mean their false worship is offered to a false God? Vatican II causes religious indifferentism by painting false religions in the most positive light possible and putting a positive spin on them, but that doesn't mean what it says is necessarily false.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #17 on:** November 30, 2019, 09:35:10 PM »

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Pope St. Gregory VII: Bishop Gregory, servant of the servants of God, to Anαzιr, King of the province of Mauretana Sitifensis in Africa.

Your Highness sent to us a request that within a year we would ordain the priest, Servandus, as bishop according to the Christian order. This we have taken pains to do, as your request seemed proper and of good promise. You also sent gifts to us, and released some Christian captives out of regard for St. Peter, chief of the Apostle, and out of love for us, and promised to release others. This good action was inspired in your heart by God, the Creator of all things, without whom we can neither do not think any good thing. He who enlightens every man that cometh into the world (Jn. 1) hath enlightened your mind for this purpose. For there is nothing which Almighty God, who wishes that all men should be saved and that no man should perish (1 Tim 2), more approves in our conduct, than this: that a man should first love God and then his fellow man, and do nothing to him which he would not that others should do to himself (Mt. 7).

This affection we and you owe each other in a more particular way than to people of other races because we believe in and confess one God, although in diverse ways, and daily praise and adore him ["the one God"] as the creator and ruler of the world. For, in the words of the Apostle, ‘He is our peace who hath made both one.’ (Eph. 2).

This grace granted to you by God is admired and praised by many of the Roman nobility who have learned from us of your benevolence and high qualities. Two of these, Alberic and Consius, intimate friends of ours brought up with us from early youth at the Roman court, earnestly desiring to enjoy your friendship and serve your interests here, are sending their messengers to you to let you know how highly they regard your prudence and high character, and how greatly they desire and are able to be of service to you.

In recommending these messengers to Your Highness, we beg you to show them, out of regard for us and in return for the loyalty of the men aforesaid, the same respect which we desire always to show toward you and all who belong to you. For God knows our true regard for you to his glory, and how truly we desire your prosperity and honor, both in this life and in the life to come, and how earnestly we pray both with out lips and with our heart that God himself, after the long journey of this life, may lead you into the bosom of the most holy patriarch Abraham.”

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Well. is this in conformity with traditional, orthodox Catholicism, or is it not? And if it is not, how did this Pope ever get canonized?

Is anyone prepared to go back and say that there was a period of sede vacante while Gregory VII was on the papal throne? And undo the canonization?

Nadir · « **Reply #18 on:** November 30, 2019, 10:15:37 PM »

Simple man said:

Well. is this in conformity with traditional, orthodox Catholicism, or is it not? And if it is not, how did this Pope ever get canonized?

Is anyone prepared to go back and say that there was a period of sede vacante while Gregory VII was on the papal throne? And undo the canonization?

Keep in mind that this not a teaching coming from this pope.

It is a personal letter from the pope to an individual, a king in Africa, who presumably is a mahomedan, expressing his respect and affection for him, because "we both believe in and confess one god ... as creator and ruler of the world" which is what muslims do.

It is not something to be compared with the texts of Vatican 2.

Maria Regina · « **Reply #19 on:** November 30, 2019, 10:18:01 PM »

Dearest in Christ, SimpleMan, Praeter, and Poche,

Read Acts 17:16-34 where St. Luke discusses St. Paul's address to the Unknown God. The Athenians were renown for honoring all gods in their temple.

¹⁶Now whilst Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred within him, seeing the city wholly given to idolatry.
¹⁷He disputed, therefore, in the ѕуηαgσgυє with the Jєωs, and with them that served God, and in the marketplace, every day with them that were there.
¹⁸And certain philosophers of the Epicureans and of the Stoics disputed with him; and some said: What is it, that this word sower would say? But others: He seemeth to be a setter forth of new gods; because he preached to them Jesus and the resurrection.
¹⁹And taking him, they brought him to the Areopagus, saying: May we know what this new doctrine is, which thou speakest of?
²⁰For thou bringest in certain new things to our ears. We would know therefore what these things mean.
²¹(Now all the Athenians, and strangers that were there, employed themselves in nothing else, but either in telling or in hearing some new thing.)
²²But Paul standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are too superstitious.
²³For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you:
²⁴God, who made the world, and all things therein; he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
²⁵Neither is he served with men's hands, as though he needed any thing; seeing it is he who giveth to all life, and breath, and all things:
²⁶And hath made of one, all mankind, to dwell upon the whole face of the earth, determining appointed times, and the limits of their habitation.
²⁷That they should seek God, if happily they may feel after him or find him, although he be not far from every one of us:
²⁸For in him we live, and move, and are; as some also of your own poets said: For we are also his offspring.
²⁹Being therefore the offspring of God, we must not suppose the divinity to be like unto gold, or silver, or stone, the graving of art, and device of man.
³⁰And God indeed having winked at the times of this ignorance, now declareth unto men, that all should everywhere do penance.
³¹Because he hath appointed a day wherein he will judge the world in equity, by the man whom he hath appointed; giving faith to all, by raising him up from the dead.
³²And when they had heard of the resurrection of the dead, some indeed mocked, but others said: We will hear thee again concerning this matter.
³³So Paul went out from among them.
³⁴But certain men adhering to him, did believe; among whom was also Dionysius, the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Acts 17: 16-34 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

Then read what St. Gregory VII wrote.

Yes, the careful use of rhetoric is important, for both saints, Paul and Gregory, sought to preach to unbelievers that those unbelievers might receive the grace to repent and to receive Holy Baptism.

On the contrary, what Vatican II and the CCC teach is heresy because the Novus Ordo Vatican II "Church" now teaches that it is not even necessary to convert and to receive Holy Baptism. Witness the numbers of Protestants and even Jєωs who are told that it is not necessary to be baptized because they worship the same God. This is heresy. I have spoken with many who were told not to convert because as Protestants they already had the one true faith and the one true baptism. This is insidious.

Nadir · « **Reply #20 on:** November 30, 2019, 10:30:07 PM »

I should add that I believe that both Jєωs and Muslims have false gods, because they have the opportunity, and refuse it, to worship the onlt true God, Who is the Blessed Trinity, Father Son and Holy Ghost.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #21 on:** December 01, 2019, 10:22:52 AM »

Quote from: Nadir on November 30, 2019, 10:15:37 PM

Simple man said:

Well. is this in conformity with traditional, orthodox Catholicism, or is it not? And if it is not, how did this Pope ever get canonized?

Is anyone prepared to go back and say that there was a period of sede vacante while Gregory VII was on the papal throne? And undo the canonization?

Keep in mind that this not a teaching coming from this pope.

It is a personal letter from the pope to an individual, a king in Africa, who presumably is a mahomedan, expressing his respect and affection for him, because "we both believe in and confess one god ... as creator and ruler of the world" which is what muslims do.

It is not something to be compared with the texts of Vatican 2.

OK, perhaps, but if we are to maintain that such words and writings are either heretical, or that they savor of heresy --- and I am not maintaining that --- wouldn't that then be evidence against sanctity, and against his being canonized? Keep in mind that Origen was never canonized, I am assuming, not because his sanctity is questioned, but because some of this writings were heretical.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #22 on:** December 01, 2019, 11:30:48 AM »

Quote from: SimpleMan on December 01, 2019, 10:22:52 AM

OK, perhaps, but if we are to maintain that such words and writings are either heretical, or that they savor of heresy --- and I am not maintaining that --- wouldn't that then be evidence against sanctity, and against his being canonized? Keep in mind that Origen was never canonized, I am assuming, not because his sanctity is questioned, but because some of this writings were heretical.

Let me give all of you some advice, don't let one letter direct any of your beliefs, the people that do that are usually just seeking teachers according to their owns desires. In the case of this letter, it is the only one that is ever brought forward to prove the New Vatican II teaching. If I belief in something, I can discard ten saints quotes quotes and still have truckloads to offer as evidence. That letter might be a forgery or it has been doctored in the translation, or it is just private letter...…… Just discard that quote, flush it down the toilet.

Do not imbibe a faith based a few quotes, that is how all of the modernism of Vatican II get accepted by the sheep.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #23 on:** December 01, 2019, 11:35:00 AM »

Nah, it's well known that a number of Church Fathers held opinions that were later rejected by the Church as heretical.

karambit · « **Reply #24 on:** December 01, 2019, 12:43:51 PM »

[color=000000]You adore that which you know not: we adore that which we know: for salvation is of the Jєωs. ~ Jo[color=000000]hn 4:22[/color]

[color=000000]Haydock Bi[color=000000]b[/color]le Commentary[color=000000] [color=000000]on this verse:

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[color=000000][color=000000][color=000000][color=000000][color=000000]The Israelites, on account of their innumerable sins, had been delivered by the Almighty into the hands of the king of Assyria, who led them all away captives into Babylon and Medea, and sent other nations whom he had collected from different parts, to inhabit Samaria. But the Almighty, to shew to all nations that he had not delivered up these his people for want of power to defend, but solely on account of their transgressions, sent lions into the land to persecute these strangers. The Assyrian king upon hearing this, sent them a priest to teach them the law of God; but neither after this did they depart wholly from their impiety, but in part only: for many of them returned again to their idols, worshipping at the same time the true God. It was on this account that Christ preferred the Jєωs before them, saying, that salvation is of the Jєωs, with whom it was the chief principle to acknowledge the true God, and hold every denomination of idols in detestation; whereas, the Samaritans by mixing the worship of the one with the other, plainly shewed that they held the God of the universe in no greater esteem than their dumb idols. (St. Chrysostom in St. Thomas Aquinas)[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

2Vermont · « **Reply #25 on:** December 01, 2019, 07:54:47 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on December 01, 2019, 11:30:48 AM

Let me give all of you some advice, don't let one letter direct any of your beliefs, the people that do that are usually just seeking teachers according to their owns desires. In the case of this letter, it is the only one that is ever brought forward to prove the New Vatican II teaching. If I belief in something, I can discard ten saints quotes quotes and still have truckloads to offer as evidence. That letter might be a forgery or it has been doctored in the translation, or it is just private letter...…… Just discard that quote, flush it down the toilet.

Do not imbibe a faith based a few quotes, that is how all of the modernism of Vatican II get accepted by the sheep.

Yes, isnt it interesting that the only place you find this letter referenced is in the Vatican II sect's writings?

poche · « **Reply #26 on:** December 02, 2019, 11:35:38 PM »

Quote from: Maria Regina on November 30, 2019, 10:18:01 PM

Dearest in Christ, SimpleMan, Praeter, and Poche,

Read Acts 17:16-34 where St. Luke discusses St. Paul's address to the Unknown God. The Athenians were renown for honoring all gods in their temple.

¹⁶Now whilst Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred within him, seeing the city wholly given to idolatry.
¹⁷He disputed, therefore, in the ѕуηαgσgυє with the Jєωs, and with them that served God, and in the marketplace, every day with them that were there.
¹⁸And certain philosophers of the Epicureans and of the Stoics disputed with him; and some said: What is it, that this word sower would say? But others: He seemeth to be a setter forth of new gods; because he preached to them Jesus and the resurrection.
¹⁹And taking him, they brought him to the Areopagus, saying: May we know what this new doctrine is, which thou speakest of?
²⁰For thou bringest in certain new things to our ears. We would know therefore what these things mean.
²¹(Now all the Athenians, and strangers that were there, employed themselves in nothing else, but either in telling or in hearing some new thing.)
²²But Paul standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are too superstitious.
²³For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you:
²⁴God, who made the world, and all things therein; he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
²⁵Neither is he served with men's hands, as though he needed any thing; seeing it is he who giveth to all life, and breath, and all things:
²⁶And hath made of one, all mankind, to dwell upon the whole face of the earth, determining appointed times, and the limits of their habitation.
²⁷That they should seek God, if happily they may feel after him or find him, although he be not far from every one of us:
²⁸For in him we live, and move, and are; as some also of your own poets said: For we are also his offspring.
²⁹Being therefore the offspring of God, we must not suppose the divinity to be like unto gold, or silver, or stone, the graving of art, and device of man.
³⁰And God indeed having winked at the times of this ignorance, now declareth unto men, that all should everywhere do penance.
³¹Because he hath appointed a day wherein he will judge the world in equity, by the man whom he hath appointed; giving faith to all, by raising him up from the dead.
³²And when they had heard of the resurrection of the dead, some indeed mocked, but others said: We will hear thee again concerning this matter.
³³So Paul went out from among them.
³⁴But certain men adhering to him, did believe; among whom was also Dionysius, the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Acts 17: 16-34 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

Then read what St. Gregory VII wrote.

Yes, the careful use of rhetoric is important, for both saints, Paul and Gregory, sought to preach to unbelievers that those unbelievers might receive the grace to repent and to receive Holy Baptism.

On the contrary, what Vatican II and the CCC teach is heresy because the Novus Ordo Vatican II "Church" now teaches that it is not even necessary to convert and to receive Holy Baptism. Witness the numbers of Protestants and even Jєωs who are told that it is not necessary to be baptized because they worship the same God. This is heresy. I have spoken with many who were told not to convert because as Protestants they already had the one true faith and the one true baptism. This is insidious.

I see St Paul's address to the Athenians as a confirmation of the Baptism of Desire.

poche · « **Reply #27 on:** December 02, 2019, 11:45:08 PM »

Quote from: Nadir on November 30, 2019, 10:30:07 PM

I should add that I believe that both Jєωs and Muslims have false gods, because they have the opportunity, and refuse it, to worship the onlt true God, Who is the Blessed Trinity, Father Son and Holy Ghost.

St Justin, father of the Church disagrees with your assessment;
Justin: There will be no other God, O Trypho, nor was there from eternity any other existing, but He who made and disposed all this universe. Nor do we think that there is one God for us, another for you, but that He alone is God who led your fathers out from Egypt with a strong hand and a high arm. Nor have we trusted in any other (for there is no other), but in Him in whom you also have trusted, the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob. But we do not trust through Moses or through the law; for then we would do the same as yourselves. But now —(for I have read that there shall be a final law, and a covenant, the chiefest of all, which it is now incuмbent on all men to observe, as many as are seeking after the inheritance of God. For the law promulgated on Horeb is now old, and belongs to yourselves alone; but this is for all universally. Now, law placed against law has abrogated that which is before it, and a covenant which comes after in like manner has put an end to the previous one; and an eternal and final law — namely, Christ — has been given to us, and the covenant is trustworthy, after which there shall be no law, no commandment, no ordinance. Have you not read this which Isaiah says: 'Hearken unto Me, hearken unto Me, my people; and, you kings, give ear unto Me: for a law shall go forth from Me, and My judgment shall be for a light to the nations. My righteousness approaches swiftly, and My salvation shall go forth, and nations shall trust in My arm?' And by Jeremiah, concerning this same new covenant, He thus speaks: 'Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand, to bring them out of the land of Egypt' Jeremiah 31:31-32). If, therefore, God proclaimed a new covenant which was to be instituted, and this for a light of the nations, we see and are persuaded that men approach God, leaving their idols and other unrighteousness, through the name of Him who was crucified, Jesus Christ, and abide by their confession even unto death, and maintain piety. Moreover, by the works and by the attendant miracles, it is possible for all to understand that He is the new law, and the new covenant, and the expectation of those who out of every people wait for the good things of God. For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham (who in uncircuмcision was approved of and blessed by God on account of his faith, and called the father of many nations), are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ, as shall be demonstrated while we proceed.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01282.htm

Mark 79 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 02, 2019, 11:49:25 PM »

Poche, You have consigned yourself to the category of LIAR who falsifies quotes. You have even falsified Scripture. Nobody with any sense will waste the tome to check your quotes any more.

Here's recent evidence against you.

You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.

Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301

Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jєωs. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

"We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.

You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jєωs as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jєωs of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms тαℓмυdic Jєωs in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope

You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/

First, there is not one word about the тαℓмυd, not one stinking word.

Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality," Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses." The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers тαℓмυdic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the тαℓмυd" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached тαℓмυdic Noahidism.

"Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!

Maria Regina · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2019, 10:48:18 AM »

Quote from: poche on December 02, 2019, 11:35:38 PM

I see St Paul's address to the Athenians as a confirmation of the Baptism of Desire.

And now you are playing that divisive card, which will take this thread off topic.

Stop it!

The topic at hand is the heretical Catechism of the Catholic Church, and the havoc it is causing by introducing modernism, especially rampant ecuмenism, which will ultimately lead to the rise of the Anti-Christ and religious globalism.

Pope Francis has already shown his allegiance to the sects of -ism, like Judaism, Mohammedanism, and Buddhism, and he openly commits idolatry and heresy to push the satanic globalist agenda. Can you not see that Francis is doing the work of the devil?

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