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Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2018, 11:01:16 PM »
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  • I cannot believe you have to be told this on a Catholic forum, but please don't blaspheme the Holy Family.
    From the Douay-Rheims Bible; Matthew 2:1-20
    [1] When Jesus therefore was born in Bethlehem of Juda, in the days of king Herod, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem. [2] Saying, Where is he that is born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the east, and are come to adore him. [3] And king Herod hearing this, was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. [4] And assembling together all the chief priests and the scribes of the people, he inquired of them where Christ should be born. [5] But they said to him: In Bethlehem of Juda. For so it is written by the prophet:
    [6] And thou Bethlehem the land of Juda art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come forth the captain that shall rule my people Israel. [7] Then Herod, privately calling the wise men, learned diligently of them the time of the star which appeared to them; [8] And sending them into Bethlehem, said: Go and diligently inquire after the child, and when you have found him, bring me word again, that I also may come to adore him. [9] Who having heard the king, went their way; and behold the star which they had seen in the east, went before them, until it came and stood over where the child was. [10] And seeing the star they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
    [11] And entering into the house, they found the child with Mary his mother, and falling down they adored him; and opening their treasures, they offered him gifts; gold, frankincense, and myrrh. [12] And having received an answer in sleep that they should not return to Herod, they went back another way into their country. [13] And after they were departed, behold an angel of the Lord appeared in sleep to Joseph, saying: Arise, and take the child and his mother, and fly into Egypt: and be there until I shall tell thee. For it will come to pass that Herod will seek the child to destroy him. [14] Who arose, and took the child and his mother by night, and retired into Egypt: and he was there until the death of Herod: [15] That it might be fulfilled which the Lord spoke by the prophet, saying: Out of Egypt have I called my son.
    [16] Then Herod perceiving that he was deluded by the wise men, was exceeding angry; and sending killed all the men children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. [17] Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremias the prophet, saying: [18] A voice in Rama was heard, lamentation and great mourning; Rachel bewailing her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not. [19] But when Herod was dead, behold an angel of the Lord appeared in sleep to Joseph in Egypt, [20] Saying: Arise, and take the child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel. For they are dead that sought the life of the child.

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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #16 on: October 10, 2018, 05:19:04 AM »
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  • They were fugitives from the law. Herod intended to kill the baby Jesus. That doesn't sound like they were taking the time to ask for permission to enter.
    Until you identify the Egyptian law that te Holy Family violated, you are just making this up.


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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #17 on: October 10, 2018, 10:40:47 PM »
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  • Until you identify the Egyptian law that te Holy Family violated, you are just making this up.
    They entered the country as fugitives from the law. Under our current procedures Joseph and Mary would be locked up and the baby Jesus would be snatched from her arms.

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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #18 on: October 11, 2018, 05:13:28 AM »
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  • They entered the country as fugitives from the law. Under our current procedures Joseph and Mary would be locked up and the baby Jesus would be snatched from her arms.
    Again, you are making things up.  You do not know if there was any law in Egypt (which, like Judah, was part of the Roman Empire) that made entering the country illegal, nor do you know that they entered the country in a way so as to be considered an illegal entry.

    Stop spreading Democrat Party propaganda on the forum.

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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #19 on: October 11, 2018, 10:34:06 PM »
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  • Again, you are making things up.  You do not know if there was any law in Egypt (which, like Judah, was part of the Roman Empire) that made entering the country illegal, nor do you know that they entered the country in a way so as to be considered an illegal entry.

    Stop spreading Democrat Party propaganda on the forum.
    It is not Democratic party propaganda. The Gospel of Matthew tells us that Jesus Mary and Joseph fled to Egypt because King Herod wanted to kill the baby Jesus. 


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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #20 on: October 12, 2018, 02:20:46 AM »
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  • Again, you are making things up.  You do not know if there was any law in Egypt (which, like Judah, was part of the Roman Empire) that made entering the country illegal, nor do you know that they entered the country in a way so as to be considered an illegal entry.

    Stop spreading Democrat Party propaganda on the forum.
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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #21 on: October 12, 2018, 06:17:36 AM »
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  • It is not Democratic party propaganda. The Gospel of Matthew tells us that Jesus Mary and Joseph fled to Egypt because King Herod wanted to kill the baby Jesus.
    No.  The propaganda isn't that Jesus, Mary, and Joseph fled to Egypt.  The propaganda is that this made them "illegal immigrants" in Egypt and everything else you say about the issue.

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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #22 on: October 12, 2018, 04:26:23 PM »
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  • What is your evidence that they illegally entered Egypt?
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    Certainly Our Lord, even as an infant, could have miraculously produced the necessary documents for them to be legal immigrants.
    After all, St. Joseph would not have obeyed the command given to him in a dream if it were telling him to break the law! 
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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #23 on: October 12, 2018, 04:47:46 PM »
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    "...behold an angel of the Lord appeared in sleep to Joseph, saying: Arise, and take the child and his mother, and fly into Egypt: and be there until I shall tell thee."
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    Poche's version: behold an angel of the Lord appeared in sleep to Joseph, saying: Arise, and take the child and his mother, and smuggle them into Egypt under cover of darkness, to hide as illegal aliens until I tell thee how to furthermore illegally escape the Egyptian immigration system.
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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #24 on: October 12, 2018, 05:09:11 PM »
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  • That is not a statue of the Blessed Mother.  

    Maybe according to the demons in Hell it is, but it is not a statue of Her to Catholic sensibilities and faithful eyes. I'm sorry that on the Feast of the Holy Rosary, they denigrated Our Blessed Mother and our Faith with this Marxist pablum that's apparently "art".

    Hopefully, it comes down, or even better, burns down.
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    Probably can't "burn down" because they're planning on making it out of metal.
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    Preliminary mock-up of the mockery next to the artist who's proposing it.
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    Novus Ordo parishioners devoutly reciting the Mea Culpa next to the Wall they were unable to prevent:

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    PBS refers to this pile of junk as the "West Coast Statue of Liberty."

    Maybe San Ysidro should hire a French sculptor instead, to design it.  
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    But using the same search terms, here's another statue that emerges with this story line.
    It was posted 5 days ago, so if it's a mistake, certainly someone would have fixed it by now.
    Don't overlook the far superior attention to detail and finish employed for a statue of Baphomet:
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    Church Near California-Mexico Border Plans Welcome Statue to Immigrants
    POSTED 2:55 PM, OCTOBER 7, 2018, BY ASSOCIATED PRESS, UPDATED AT 02:53PM, OCTOBER 7, 2018
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    Maybe poche is totally on board with this one as well!!
    (I'm most confident he can dredge up some excuse.)
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    SAN DIEGO (AP) — A California church near the U.S.-Mexico border is planning to erect a hilltop welcome statue to send a message of hope to immigrants.
    The Los Angeles Times reports Saturday that a 40-foot-tall (12-meter-tall) monument of Mary, mother of Jesus, that was inspired by the Statue of Liberty is planned for the parking lot of Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in San Ysidro.
    The statue will be named “Welcome the Stranger.” Supporters are trying to raise $1 million to build it by early next year.
    Robert W. McElroy, Archbishop of San Diego speaks with participants through the fence during the 23rd Posada Sin Fronteras where worshipers gather on both sides of the US-Mexican border fence for a Christmas celebration, at Friendship Park and Playas de Tijuana in San Ysidro, California on December 10, 2016. (SANDY HUFFAKER/AFP/Getty Images)
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    Bishop Robert McElroy of the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego says the monument will serve as a reminder of immigrants’ contributions to the United States.
    Artist Jim Bliesner says he drew inspiration for the design from community members.
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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #25 on: October 12, 2018, 10:37:57 PM »
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    "...behold an angel of the Lord appeared in sleep to Joseph, saying: Arise, and take the child and his mother, and fly into Egypt: and be there until I shall tell thee."
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    Poche's version: behold an angel of the Lord appeared in sleep to Joseph, saying: Arise, and take the child and his mother, and smuggle them into Egypt under cover of darkness, to hide as illegal aliens until I tell thee how to furthermore illegally escape the Egyptian immigration system.
    For many refugees it is "arise, get out now before they can get us." having papers is sometimes an afterthought.


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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #26 on: October 13, 2018, 08:18:46 AM »
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  • For many refugees it is "arise, get out now before they can get us." having papers is sometimes an afterthought.
    You're still making it up.  Interestingly, we never hear about people needing their papers in the ancient world.  You're just like those Democrat preachers who twist the Bible in order to convince their congregations to support Democrat politics.

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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #27 on: October 13, 2018, 09:05:08 AM »
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  • For many refugees it is "arise, get out now before they can get us." having papers is sometimes an afterthought.
    See what attending the Novus Ordo results in? 
    If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent

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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #28 on: October 13, 2018, 09:14:46 AM »
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  • Jesus Mary and Joseph were illegal aliens in Egypt.  
    That kind of aligns with Jesse Jackson calling the Blessed Virgin a "single mother"....
    The Gospel according to Alinsky.

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    Re: Pro-immigration Virgin Mary - Statue of Liberty style
    « Reply #29 on: October 13, 2018, 11:03:46 AM »
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    Last week illegal aliens used a sharp, hard tool to scratch many vertical and horizontal gouges into the windshield glass of 14 cars in a parking lot. The vandalism was not caught on any security cameras. The only evidence is eyewitness testimony. When the car owners got into their driver's seats, the defaced windshield was right in front of their face, obscuring their view of the road before them. That's why we need the border wall.
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